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Intel Quad core cpu

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Intel 2.4ghz
quad core
8MB cache
Kentsfield, apparently.
Release date: 2007 Q1

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=103982&page=4

The scores are like nothing we have seen to date.

3dmark:
cpu defult (2.4ghz)
vga 7950g2x oc 620/700

3d01 (1024x768): 44083
3d03: 37301
3d05: 14174
3d06 (1280x1024) :10044

aquamark3 (1024x768): 137762

The cinebench results are awe inspiring.

Im all for a great cpu, but Im worried that Intel will drive AMD out of business in the next 2 yrs or so with its range of Core cpus. Intel will simply keep adding more and more cores onto its cpus to increase performance, at will, until AMD have no answer. The lack of competition may increase cpu prices.
 
erm...wait just one second, supposidly using nvidia 7950G2X, why is there ATI icon in there persons toolbar then? :confused:
 
Ive noticed that he does play with his system a lot. He seems to reinstall windows a lot too. He has both Nvidia and ATI drivers installed (look in the taskbar).
 
sunama said:
Im worried that Intel will drive AMD out of business in the next 2 yrs

Dont be. As a friend and I were discussing last week, and he pointed out quite rightly that A64 is an entire generation older than Core. At present we are comparing 'next' generation Core to 'last' generation A64.

Competativeness will rely on AMDs next gen CPU quality
 
can you use nvidia and ATI drivers at once? when i tried that my 7600GT simply didn't work i got 'no signal' on monitor :confused:
 
cleanbluesky said:
Dont be. As a friend and I were discussing last week, and he pointed out quite rightly that A64 is an entire generation older than Core. At present we are comparing 'next' generation Core to 'last' generation A64.

Competativeness will rely on AMDs next gen CPU quality

Yeah but when is AMD going to release their next gen cpu? By that time, Intel will have something quicker out, which means they should be able to stay ahead of AMD for some time to come, up until AMD have been financially crippled.
 
why would intel have something quicker out before amd's next fast part? i mean just saying it because its intel makes no sense because. when amd got something faster out than intels P4 its not like they just magically made something faster instantly.

also you are very wrong, intel CAN'T add cores just at will, the kentsfield is 2 conroes spliced together, not a 4 core cpu. it will have a very very limited bus as it won't be changing, yet. the CSI bus is not due till kentsfields follow up core and that probably means not till at least q3 2007.

amd are supposed to have quad core K8L's out in probo q1, poss q1 2007. half a year does not bankrupt nor change the general outlook of a company. 99% of computers buyers are not at all aware that a conroe pc is faster than a athlon 64 pc right now. 99% of users really never load the cpu properly , word processing, surfing and gaming is basically not cpu limited. 99% of people would based on using a pc be unable to tell you which computer had a celeron 2.6GHz and a 4Ghz conroe in. seeing as we mean less than 1%, probably less than 0.1% of the profits amd and intel see our outlook and knowledge means nothing.

K8L is a native quad core part with a much much better bus system with far higher bandwidth. early benchies have shown the kentsfield do 21seconds super pi 1mb on one core, and each core run at 25seconds when all 4 run an instance at once. thats a 25% drop in performance due to the limited bus and this is on a super pi 1mb which should fit in the cache(which is 8mb). how would a encoded or a superpi 32mb run when each core is loaded. K8L will increase efficiency of the K8 quite a lot so will be faster clock for clock, added to a far lower contended bandwidth subsystem and the K8L might be a really really fantastic cpu. also amd should hopefully be able to bump speeds up and wattage down with the 0.65nm jump they are yet to do.

they already compete with conroe on wattage people just don't know it. intel give average use figures, considering 99% of people don't use their cpu's much at all no one can really tell what intel have decided was "average" use. amd state numbers that are theoretical numbers which again, in theory, can not ever be seen in real world use. IE its the number amd's use when the cache, fsb parts of the core, and every single register, every fp unit every single transistor on the core is in use. however cpu's crave info, they won't always have sse , sse2 and other extra bits of info to cram into the cpu. so while intels numbers are average amd's are maximum.


also remember that the northbridge on intels use power for mem controller that is included on the cpu die for amd which includes the power numbers while intel don't. you can see that the difference between closely performing p4/ath 64/conroe systems the p4 and conroe systems both have extremely high temp northbridges, due to putting out more heat.
 
Isnt AMD Next gen coming out with a 2 socket system to allow 4x4? as in dual core cpus in 2 sockets? thats 4 cpus....

But then Intel already have quadcore processors in one socket?

Hear AMD are also coming out with a 8x8 eight core rollout in 2007, One things for sure Vistas gonna have plenty of processors to play around with hopefully we start seeing games/Software really making use out of dual core like Q4+ does.
 
sunama said:
Yeah but when is AMD going to release their next gen cpu? By that time, Intel will have something quicker out, which means they should be able to stay ahead of AMD for some time to come, up until AMD have been financially crippled.


lmao mate, the enthusiast market is 5% of there earnings.

Nothing will happen.

End of.

CR.
 
Concorde Rules said:
lmao mate, the enthusiast market is 5% of there earnings.

Nothing will happen.

End of.

CR.

Im not really speaking of the enthusiast market. Im talking about the broader OEM market. When salesmen are all saying Intel is faster, cheaper (has a bigger brand name) and is also cheaper to run, most businesses will have no reason to buy AMD.
 
sunama said:
Yeah but when is AMD going to release their next gen cpu? By that time, Intel will have something quicker out, which means they should be able to stay ahead of AMD for some time to come, up until AMD have been financially crippled.

Think of how long AMD have been spanking Intel. That could be how long Intel now spank AMD, but it doesn't mean that its over for AMD
 
sunama said:
Im not really speaking of the enthusiast market. Im talking about the broader OEM market. When salesmen are all saying Intel is faster, cheaper (has a bigger brand name) and is also cheaper to run, most businesses will have no reason to buy AMD.


salesmen at dell have been saying that non stop for the last 10 years, it doesn't matter. simply doesn't matter.

intels kentsfield isn't out yet and won't be till earliest q1 2007, and it is a bus limited product. amd are "supposed" to have a dual socket board aimed at desktop soonish but its not "next gen" as you can already if you want pay for a 8 way dual core board should you want to. amd's quad core will possibly be around quite close to intels. intel has had people with conroe out showing benchmarks absolutely months, 6 months often before release(sometimes longer). rarely do amd hand out ES samples in the way Intel do. remember intel are still the main company, they have contracts with a huge, almost unbelievable number of the biggest companies that will use their products exclusively and give intel huge sums of money. this is why you end up with a lot of people getting early ES samples so those companies can start working out how to use them way before release. a lot of companies that process data use their own programs custom writen and need a long time to work with a new cpu to optimise their code , etc, etc. so a huge number of ES intels get out there, hence go on any forum and getting an ES intel is pretty easy. going on any forum and finding an ES amd is almost impossible, amd's new cpu's can release without being seen months in advance on forums very easily.

so you can't in any way say intel already have quad core, amd don't, based purely on a few ES samples seen on forums ;)

the main thing is, even if K8L lacks the same clock for clock performance that conroe does, if it can gain 20% per core purely based on a much more efficient bandwidth/htt system it won't need to be better clock for clock to be faster ;) .
 
sunama said:
Im not really speaking of the enthusiast market. Im talking about the broader OEM market. When salesmen are all saying Intel is faster, cheaper (has a bigger brand name) and is also cheaper to run, most businesses will have no reason to buy AMD.


:confused:

Its complex, but NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO AMD.

The consumer market has always been = more Mhz for cheap, and probably always will be. Looking at prices AMD is still cheaper. In the server market its performance per £, stabilty etc.

So, Conroe and Kentsfield will take the lead for Intel, but AMD will fight back with K8-L (possibly) or K9/K10 whichever they are working on in a few years time.

Neither company takes the lead forever, AMD have just used the K8 up to the limit, 65nm and new cores will give them a chance to catch up.

Remember here that AMD is STILL 90nm, and Intel has gone to 65nm, imagine what AMD could do at 65nm? Possibly beat Conroe... but as Conroe is now the better chip, people are getting it, as me.

In 2 years when AMD win again, ill get that.

CR.
 
cleanbluesky said:
Dont be. As a friend and I were discussing last week, and he pointed out quite rightly that A64 is an entire generation older than Core. At present we are comparing 'next' generation Core to 'last' generation A64.

Competativeness will rely on AMDs next gen CPU quality
Not strictly true. Core 2 is Intel's 8th generation processor architecture. A64 is also AMD's 8th generation architecture... Totally right though that we've got to wait to see what AMD comes up with in response, K10 anyone?
 
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