Intel suck lollipops

[smilertoo]

Amazing, my new Haswell setup is next to worthless to me. In their wisdom intel removed all virtualisation making WP8 dev impossible using the phone emulator. Probably to push sales of ivy-e etc. to devs who need this function.

 

[Jokester]

What chip have you got, if it's anything like SB/IB it's only available on some models, not all of them. I know my 4770K had the option in the BIOS.

Edit: Saying that, the 4770K doesn't do VT-d, though I think this was the case for SB/IB as well?

 

[smilertoo]

the 4770k, yes its in the bios but not on the cpu. Its appears to be in lower end cpus but not the top one. I better saving for ivy-e or haswell-e.

 

[gregorius]

Yes, it's puzzling to contemplate the difference between the "Advanced Technology" specs for the 4770 and the 4770K.

Not entirely clear what Intel is up to.

 

[smilertoo]

I'm guessing theyre crippling the fastest cpu so that those most likely to want speed AND virtualisation need to buy the enthusiast systems.

 

[Martini1991]

Maybe they do it for stability?
Although I think it's a bad move.

 

[smilertoo]

Nah, i could run my i920 at 4ghz and visualization was fine. I'd go with intel not wanting to cannibalize sales of higher end cpus.

 

[Weazle]

Wait ... silly question but did you not do the research about Haswell features before buying?

 

[smilertoo]

As preview mobo screenshots and videos showed virtualisation menus i foolishly assumed it was actually there.

 

[Orcvader]

Wasn't it the non K versions of the CPUs for SB/IB that had the virtualisation stuff? Looking at the 4770 and the 4770K it seems to be following the same route as well.

 

[paradigm]

/Strokes SB-E system.

I too am waiting on the next -E system, be that IB-E or H-E.

 

[melvis]

im in a similar boat, im getting a 4570 instead of a 4670k because of the lack of VT-d, so annoying they disabled virtualisation on overclocking chips :/

 

[optimus]

I'm a bit lost here - what is you need to run Hyper-v you can't get on a 'k' CPU?

My current understanding is you can't get VT-d, but what do you really need it for? I'm not sure I have any specific hardware I would want to pass to guest VM.

I have some hyperv requirements as well - so want to check I don't get caught out.

Thanks

 

[paradigm]

You NEED VT-d and SLAT for Hyper-V 3.0 (the version that ships with Windows 8 and Server 2012).

 

[StephenLawUK]

My current understanding is you can't get VT-d, but what do you really need it for? I'm not sure I have any specific hardware I would want to pass to guest VM.

I would think VT-d is probably needed to pass stuff like the host machines NIC to the VM and if your running a dedicated virtual machine host such as Hyper-V or VMware it would be a desirable feature. Possibly the local optical drive if you want to install software via that rather than mounting an ISO.

 

[optimus]

You NEED VT-d and SLAT for Hyper-V 3.0 (the version that ships with Windows 8 and Server 2012).

You need SLAT; you don't need VT-d; the instruction below actually request you disable it.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windowsphone/develop/jj863509(v=vs.105).aspx

 

[Yaayuh!]

Amazing, my new Haswell setup is next to worthless to me. In their wisdom intel removed all virtualisation making WP8 dev impossible using the phone emulator. Probably to push sales of ivy-e etc. to devs who need this function.

Return it and buy SB-E and learn from YOUR mistake of not investigating into it properly.

 

[foster grant]

It's not often on the forums to see not so positive comments about Intel lol

 

[eddyr]

On a related note, somebody at intel needs to address their addiction with product segmentation because it's beginning to get out of hand.

 

[=XDC=FluphyBunny]

On a related note, somebody at intel needs to address their addiction with product segmentation because it's beginning to get out of hand.

Most should have been nothing more than bios settings rather than half a dozen separate chips.