Intel to produce X86 chips with NVIDIA RTX GPU chiplets

[mark 11:11]

also worth noting that hte x86-64 patent expired a couple of years back not sure how licensing and patents interact but im guessing this means they dont have the full leverage they would have had if it was still in patent so to speak
admittedly im not a law expert so not really my area but im guessing with the cross licensing and patent expiry its probably a bit different

 

[jigger]

I don’t think x86 is as dead as you think it is. There are still modern development toolsets that use x86, or at least still support it as an option for compatibility reasons.

Actually my office use x86 Office as some tools provided by pretty large finance products still haven’t released 64 bit versions.

It’s actually a nightmare, by this point it should be 64 bit or nothing, but that’s just not feasible.

It’s X86 64 bit though. I don’t think windows even has a 32 bit option today… Maybe some of the ARM/mobile versions do, but 4gb of addressable memory is a serious problem.

 

[Tee Hee Johnson]

It’s X86 64 bit though. I don’t think windows even has a 32 bit option today… Maybe some of the ARM/mobile versions do, but 4gb of addressable memory is a serious problem.

There is no 32 bit version of Windows 11, but it still supports 32 bit programs.

Some drivers, well more their wee applets are still 32 bits.

 

[jigger]

also worth noting that hte x86-64 patent expired a couple of years back not sure how licensing and patents interact but im guessing this means they dont have the full leverage they would have had if it was still in patent so to speak
admittedly im not a law expert so not really my area but im guessing with the cross licensing and patent expiry its probably a bit different

There’s tons of instructions/extensions that have been added to X64-X86 instructions. I’m pretty sure most of, if not all of those would come under IP sharing licensing agreements.

 

[jigger]

There is no 32 bit version of Windows 11, but it still supports 32 bit programs.

Some drivers, well more their wee applets are still 32 bits.

Running within a native 64 bit software environment on 64 bit hardware.

 

[Joxeon]

You're placing too much emphasis on the name, RX 7800XT.

It was $150 cheaper, 8% faster in raster and 15% faster in RT than its name sake, yes, not a lot, its should have been called what it is, that is an RX 7700XT, the RX 6700XT, which did sell well, weirdly, was $469.99, the RX 7800XT was $30 or 6% more for 16GB vs 12GB, 65% better RT and 53% better Raster.

I forgot to add, the RX 6700XT was a full fat Navi 22 die, the RX 7800XT was a full fat Navi 32 die.

The 6700XT did well because for most of its lifespan it sold for at or under £350 rather than the fake mining MSRP it was launched at and was the only card around that price range other than the 3060 which had more than 8gb VRAM while also seeing a 35% improvement over the 5700XT.

 

[jigger]

The 6700XT did well because for most of its lifespan it sold for at or under £350 rather than the fake mining MSRP it was launched at and was the only card around that price range other than the 3060 which had more than 8gb VRAM while also seeing a 35% improvement over the 5700XT.

The 3070 wasn’t 35% faster than the 5700XT never mind 3060…

 

[Joxeon]

The 3070 wasn’t 35% faster than the 5700XT never mind 3060…

Talking about the 6700XT.

 

[Grim5]

There is no 32 bit version of Windows 11, but it still supports 32 bit programs.

Some drivers, well more their wee applets are still 32 bits.

Don't even think it's possible even if they wanted to cause windows 11 ram requirements is probably higher than 32bit can read

 

[humbug]

X86 also known as i386 removed from the Linux kernel.

The end of the i386 kernel and images | Kali Linux Blog

The i386 architecture has long been obsolete, and from this week, support for i386 in Kali Linux is going to shrink significantly: i386 kernel and images are going away. Images and releases will no longer be created for this platform.

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Kali Linux can run on a variety of CPU architectures, amd64 being by far the most popular. It’s the architecture of choice for Intel and AMD CPUs that equip personal computers (workstations and laptops alike) and servers. In short, it’s ubiquitous for personal computing. Kali can also run on i386 CPUs. i386 is the ancestor of amd64, and it was used in personal computers, back in the days before the 64-bit x86 architecture took over and replaced it.

Note that the first amd64 processor was released in 2003, and the first Debian release to support it was “4.0 Etch”, back in 2007. Also worth noting, the last i386 CPU produced seem to have been some models of the Intel Pentium 4, and were discontinued in 2007. So, this is a change a long time coming.

Now that we’ve established a rough timeline for the hardware, what about software? Of course, support in software, in particular in the Linux kernel, has to last many years after the hardware is discontinued. But with times, there’s less and less i386 CPUs out there, and less and less effort is made to maintain i386-specific code, so it slowly dies.

Windows is the only OS that supports i386 at the hardware level, it only supports it, it doesn't require it, it does require AMD64. Windows is an AMD64 architecture and has been since Windows 7.

 

[humbug]

Here's the thing about all this, if this was Nvidia i think they would deny Intel the AMD64 licence.

If it was Intel they definitely would, how do i know that? Because Intel was set to deny AMD the X86 licence in 2009, this would have killed AMD off, at the time no X86 licence, no products to sell. that's AMD out of business.

AMD knew this was coming, Intel made it very clear long before that they hated having to share the X86 market with AMD since they invented it, they only licenced it to AMD because IBM wouldn't give them the contract that catapulted Intel in to the behemoth they became, IBM with Intel's X86 architecture invented the PC.

AMD branched out of CPU's only in 2006 by buying ATI, to them doing this was survival, they also entered the 64Bit race, late, both Cyrix, Intel and others were already deep in to trying to get 64Bit to work, Intel's for example was called Itanium, Intel like others couldn't really get 64Bit to work reliably and efficiently, AMD pretty quickly got AMD64 working and working really well, they released it with the Opteron64, datacentre's loved it and adopted it on mass, Intel fumbled on trying to get Itanium to work, AMD also made it compatible with X86 and tagged it on, its where we get X86_64 (Athlon64) so everyone else adopted it, because they could run both 32Bit and 64Bit on the same system.
Because AMD64 was compatible with X86 and the wide adoption that won and Itanium still failing Intel could see the writing on the wall, if they didn't act it would be them without a market to sell products in to, they agreed to extend AMD's X86 licence and licence AMD64 in return.
Now X86 is all but dead.

Besides anything else now you understand why there is so much bad blood between Intel and AMD.