Intel's 80% Desktop Marketshare, 92% Server Marketshare

[Dave2150]

Problem with thatis in a few years time AMD will be generations ahead of Intel and no one will want the Intel chips. Plus with TSMC upping their production line i am sure AMD will be looking to secure a plentiful supply of waffers going forward. Intel are just falling to far behind the curve and they clearly do not have the in house ability to move to 7,5 or3nm anytime soon, Like with 7nm AMD will beat them to the punch for 5 and 3nm and the benefits that will provide will be a lot greater than they are currently even.

Also i really do not care who sells the most chips currently or ever for that fact. i care about having the best all round tech in my home system, if Intel regains the crown i will move back to them but i see zero correlation in chip sales and a consumer deciding on whether to go AMD or Intel. If that was true no one would want a Ferrari and every one would want a Ford, i know which of the 2 i would choose

Intel will likely retake the gaming performance crown with the 11900k - leaked slides today show it'll auto boost to 5.1Ghz on all cores (cooling permitting) and 5.3Ghz on two cores. This means highly binned chips.

Going forward a few years, it's purely speculation on who will have the best architecture, process and supply. Logic dictates this will be Intel, though perhaps I'm wrong and you're right, we'll have to see.

 

[DeathStorm]

Intel will likely retake the gaming performance crown with the 11900k

No matter how much you want this to be true it's not going to happen, the 11900K is almost certainly going to be a poor choice for 99.9% of users when you have the previous gen available or AMD.

 

[Dave2150]

No matter how much you want this to be true it's not going to happen, the 11900K is almost certainly going to be a poor choice for 99.9% of users when you have the previous gen available or AMD.

Your sentence has no relevance to my post that you quoted. I said that I think the 11900k will retake the gaming performance crown, I didn't mention that's doing to be the best choice for 99.9% of people, that's obviously a completely different topic.

It's fine we disagree, we'll see who is right on launch day when the official reviews release.

 

[DeathStorm]

Your sentence has no relevance to my post that you quoted. I said that I think the 11900k will retake the gaming performance crown, I didn't mention that's doing to be the best choice for 99.9% of people, that's obviously a completely different topic.

It's fine we disagree, we'll see who is right on launch day when the official reviews release.

It's not really a disagreement when you've been claiming they're going to retake the gaming crown since the beginning despite all the evidence to the contrary.

It won't be winning at anything besides power consumption and heat generation, it's one to skip for sure.

 

[mmj_uk]

If AMD were seriously interested in gaining market share you should be able to pick up their 8 core Ryzen for far cheaper than it is now but they're content with maintaining high prices, people who have good experiences with Intel over decades (OEM systems particularly) aren't going to risk an AMD system for the sake of a small saving.

Like it or not reputation matters, if you're shopping for a TV and there's a Samsung for £800 and a Hitech or whatever for £750, the majority of people are going to go with the Samsung.

Yes Intel did some anti-competitive practices in the early years when the industry was growing but they also produced motherboard chipsets that were seen as industry standard, whereas AMD had all manner of buggy 3rd party/VIA chipsets letting their CPU's down. If you were running mission critical servers there was really no contest.

 

[DeathStorm]

You can tell when Intel puts out uncompetitive chips, AMD magically gets cooties and is to be avoided at all costs.

 

[Minstadave]

If AMD were seriously interested in gaining market share you should be able to pick up their 8 core Ryzen for far cheaper than it is now but they're content with maintaining high prices, people who have good experiences with Intel over decades (OEM systems particularly) aren't going to risk an AMD system for the sake of a small saving.

Like it or not reputation matters, if you're shopping for a TV and there's a Samsung for £800 and a Hitech or whatever for £750, the majority of people are going to go with the Samsung.

Yes Intel did some anti-competitive practices in the early years when the industry was growing but they also produced motherboard chipsets that were seen as industry standard, whereas AMD had all manner of buggy 3rd party/VIA chipsets letting their CPU's down. If you were running mission critical servers there was really no contest.

It's interesting saying reputation matters but glossing over the far more recent Intel exploits/performance degrading patches seems commonplace on here and very blinkered. Their practice of forcing people to upgrade chipsets every gen despite there being no technical reason to do so was pretty shady also.

I could understand it if Intel was some bastion of perfection but their CPUs are nothing special over and haven't really been innovatice for several years now, really since Sandy/Ivy which was what 2011/2012?

I've been on Intel for a god few years until Zen 2/3 so not a rabid AMD fanboy.

 

[Grim5]

Your sentence has no relevance to my post that you quoted. I said that I think the 11900k will retake the gaming performance crown

If the 11900k beats the 5600x in CSGO on the launch reviews, I'll give you $1000 and if they don't you give me $1000

Want to gamble on your Intel loyalty? Put your money where your mouth it

 

[Minstadave]

Logic dictates this will be Intel, though perhaps I'm wrong and you're right, we'll have to see.

If the last few months has taught us anything at all it is that your grasp of logic is tenuous at best Dave.

 

[Minstadave]

Intel will likely retake the gaming performance crown with the 11900k - leaked slides today show it'll auto boost to 5.1Ghz on all cores (cooling permitting) and 5.3Ghz on two cores. This means highly binned chips.

It may also show that out of sheer desperation to get some decent single threaded numbers Intel has thrown all power limits aside and ramped clock speeds to levels where only top tier coolers stand a chance of not throtteling (because, lets face it, multithreaded is going to look hideous against the 5900X and 5950X)

 

[ChrisD.]

Intel will likely retake the gaming performance crown with the 11900k - leaked slides today show it'll auto boost to 5.1Ghz on all cores (cooling permitting) and 5.3Ghz on two cores. This means highly binned chips.

This post has aged well.

 

[Quartz]

I expected AMD to have claimed a far greater market share % in both desktop and server by now, considering how competitive Ryzen is.

Isn't it simply due to manufacturing capacity?

 

[welshrat]

Just reading Guru3d review and it does appear as though the intel chip is back on top in terms of gaming performance. Margins of course and very power hungry but it does look like it bests the 5900X when using a 3090 RTX unless I am missing something.

Personally for me I love Ryzen (currently a 3700X) and wouldn't want to skimp on those PCIE 4 lanes.

EDIT - looking at the graphs I see its not much better than the previous intel gen and I guess in the few games its ahead its the extra boost on 2 cores that pushes it ahead

 

[uscool]

Just reading Guru3d review and it does appear as though the intel chip is back on top in terms of gaming performance. Margins of course and very power hungry but it does look like it bests the 5900X when using a 3090 RTX unless I am missing something.

Personally for me I love Ryzen (currently a 3700X) and wouldn't want to skimp on those PCIE 4 lanes.

EDIT - looking at the graphs I see its not much better than the previous intel gen and I guess in the few games its ahead its the extra boost on 2 cores that pushes it ahead

intel have not got the gaming crown back, because they seemed to hand picked the 6 games, if you look at other reviews average over 10 games its different story look at different reviews that give averages over like 10+ games

heres one

 

[welshrat]

because they seemed to hand picked the 6 games, if you look at other reviews average over 10 games its different story look at different reviews that give averages over like 10+ games

heres one

Ah ok fair enough, strange that hilbert does this as I always regarded him as a good reviewer

 

[ChrisD.]

Ah ok fair enough, strange that hilbert does this as I always regarded him as a good reviewer

Reviewers are only as good as what they are paid, it's so difficult to find an honest reviewer these days and the fact that they don't really have to say 'Intel paid me xxx' for this review.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

intel have not got the gaming crown back, because they seemed to hand picked the 6 games, if you look at other reviews average over 10 games its different story look at different reviews that give averages over like 10+ games

Do you know why Intel seems to do so well in BFV? Been looking for an answer and can't find one

 

[uscool]

Do you know why Intel seems to do so well in BFV? Been looking for an answer and can't find one

No idea but you could also say the same for star wars squadrons for AMD, But I prefer to look at average over number of games not just few and input the cost and power usage

 

[uscool]

This is over 8 games prefer to see bigger list anyway here it struggled against the older model which is cheaper and has 2 more cores and uses less power ?

 

[ChrisD.]

It's a complete garbage release, I'd be embarrassed if I worked for Intel. I really hope Pat steers them in the right direction.