Interstellar -- Trailer (Spoilers!)
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mrk there's one error in the timeline thing you uploaded
The wormhole disappears after Cooper has come back through it. I read an interview with Jonathan Nolan where he says that. It also explains why when Cooper steals the small ship at the end there is no visible wormhole. I guess because they've worked out the equation they don't need the wormhole any more, they are able to get to Edmonds planet quickly anyway.
The message throughout the film is one that most sci-fi movies somehow don't care about anymore - we should explore the unknown.
Without any major spoilers, there's a PTA scene in the first act when McConaughey's character, former shuttle pilot, has to listen to his daughter's teacher calling moon landing "wonderfully executed propaganda to drain Soviet budget" and he gets visibly angry.
I believe Nolan's tried to make the point NDT makes here, heck it's even in the script several times ("We should be explorers.")
For me, just the weight and importance of the message alone is enough to put the movie up there with the greats.
Oh really...
Did you figure out why Cooper and Amelia were the same age at the end of the film?
Did you understand why it had taken Murph over 60 years from receiving the quantum gravitational data to seeing her father again?
Did you understand why it had taken Murph over 60 years from receiving the quantum gravitational data to seeing her father again?
Remembering and questioning elements in a film are completely different from forgetting/missing those elements and assuming you understood.
Granted, that diagram didn't explain anything I hadn't already understood from the film but unfortunately doesn't explain those two questions above.
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Time dilation would be different all over the shop, not just on the planet they were battling the waves. We were only told it was 1hr = 7yrs for there, that was 20some years gone right there and no doubt more time lost elsewhere.
Time dilation explains both of those scenarios.
But Cooper went into the black hole and would have experienced more time dilation than Amelia after she disconnected. Wouldn't Cooper also be affected by time dilation in the Tesseract?
Another point; the Cooper Station was already built and ready to go so are we to assume it took Murph over 60 years to implement the data and get the station to Saturn? I could understand 20 years but 60!!
If the Cooper station had been up there a while why hadn't they sent rescue parties to get the 12 original voyagers back? Not that I had noticed the wormhole had closed at the end but I think it's safe to assume the wormhole remained open until Cooper was spat back out.
And... I assumed Cooper was spat back out at the location of the black hole not through the wormhole. How did he get through that?
Not that obvious is it. Haha!
Another point; the Cooper Station was already built and ready to go so are we to assume it took Murph over 60 years to implement the data and get the station to Saturn? I could understand 20 years but 60!!
If the Cooper station had been up there a while why hadn't they sent rescue parties to get the 12 original voyagers back? Not that I had noticed the wormhole had closed at the end but I think it's safe to assume the wormhole remained open until Cooper was spat back out.
And... I assumed Cooper was spat back out at the location of the black hole not through the wormhole. How did he get through that?
Not that obvious is it. Haha!
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No because the black hole he went into wasn't a naturally occurring one, it was created by the future humans specifically for this event. At least that's how it seems to me. Otherwise he'd have been ripped apart atom by atom.
Remember, through all this "they" chose Murph specifically for her abilities, whatever those abilities are they weren't made clear, just hinted to. Can we call those abilities the ultimate bond between parent and child that can span space and time? Perhaps, is Nolan hinting at what Nature has been doing for millions of years (mother and child bond regardless of distance)? Perhaps. Or perhaps Murph was the start of the natural evolution of humankind and the future humans have been on a quest to find "the one" and set whatever went wrong right by using them both as conduits to come to the equation in the end via the new dimension that connects space, time and mavity.
Remember, through all this "they" chose Murph specifically for her abilities, whatever those abilities are they weren't made clear, just hinted to. Can we call those abilities the ultimate bond between parent and child that can span space and time? Perhaps, is Nolan hinting at what Nature has been doing for millions of years (mother and child bond regardless of distance)? Perhaps. Or perhaps Murph was the start of the natural evolution of humankind and the future humans have been on a quest to find "the one" and set whatever went wrong right by using them both as conduits to come to the equation in the end via the new dimension that connects space, time and mavity.
Without referencing anything else, that's how I thought of it immediately after the credits rolled.
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Here's how I see your points:
I'm not totally sure about your first point regarding the lack of an age difference between Cooper and Amelia. Cooper's time in the tesseract doesn't have any effect on his age. All I can think is that the time dilation difference between the accretion disk that Amelia sling-shots to get to Edmond's planet and the inside of Gargantua itself isn't too great, meaning that neither would age significantly more than the other.
Regarding the age difference between Murph and the members of the Endurance: although Murph had been given the solution to the quantum mavity equation by Cooper, humanity still had to develop the mavity-manipulating technology to take advantage of the equation. It could conceivably have taken 60+ years to develop this technology. What I do struggle to believe regarding this is that there were enough resources left on earth to develop this technology, and that there was enough food left for 60+ years on Earth. Dr. Brand told Cooper before he even left Earth that the last remaining resource, corn, would die soon. I find it hard to believe there was enough corn for another 100 years.
I think we're supposed to assume Cooper was spat back out in our galaxy after the Tesseract collapses. He's told by someone on Cooper station that he was found floating by Saturn with only a few minutes of oxygen supply left.
Regarding the age difference between Murph and the members of the Endurance: although Murph had been given the solution to the quantum mavity equation by Cooper, humanity still had to develop the mavity-manipulating technology to take advantage of the equation. It could conceivably have taken 60+ years to develop this technology. What I do struggle to believe regarding this is that there were enough resources left on earth to develop this technology, and that there was enough food left for 60+ years on Earth. Dr. Brand told Cooper before he even left Earth that the last remaining resource, corn, would die soon. I find it hard to believe there was enough corn for another 100 years.
I think we're supposed to assume Cooper was spat back out in our galaxy after the Tesseract collapses. He's told by someone on Cooper station that he was found floating by Saturn with only a few minutes of oxygen supply left.
Please, please, PLEASE don't misunderstand my questions though; they are merely questions, not criticisms. I genuinely can't stand people who get caught up on a tiny element and allow that to destroy their enjoyment.
So thanks everyone! Love the flick and highly recommend, it's a beautiful story alongside some excellent science fiction.
For instance;
- I didn't realise Cooper and Cooper Station were beside Saturn at the end
- had no idea the wormhole had collapsed after Cooper came back out
- I now realise that Dr. Brand merely knew the equation was impossible
- have been reminded that a paradox could be averted if you don't consider time linear
- I didn't realise Cooper and Cooper Station were beside Saturn at the end
- had no idea the wormhole had collapsed after Cooper came back out
- I now realise that Dr. Brand merely knew the equation was impossible
- have been reminded that a paradox could be averted if you don't consider time linear
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I still entertain that notion to be honest. They only assume the final conclusion and there's no evidence to support it in the film, so for all we know there could be a sequel that could easily swing it one way or the other.
Gripe canceled
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Sorry... but
don't you think the concept of a trans-dimensional being manipulating the one element (love) that transcends dimensions to guide humans into making specific decisions to save human kind a little bit impressive?
Remember you aren't just witnessing the characters on the screen but the series of events that have been put forth by future "human" kind. Upon reflection you'll realise that there's quite a bit of depth to it.
Remember you aren't just witnessing the characters on the screen but the series of events that have been put forth by future "human" kind. Upon reflection you'll realise that there's quite a bit of depth to it.
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