To be honest, it starts deteriorating at lesser an angle but would be more difficult to capture what I was on about with this camera.
IPS - Bad viewing angles?
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To be honest, it starts deteriorating at lesser an angle but would be more difficult to capture what I was on about with this camera.
Actually, your monitor did indeed receive recognition for its viewing angles:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/HP-w2207-22in-LCD-Monitor-review-hp-w2207-22in-lcd-monitor-page-4
"... while viewing angles are surprisingly good considering this uses a TN panel which aren't renowned for their viewing angles."
Nevertheless, the "... surprisingly good considering ..."-part implies that it was still no match for the IPS panels. But from the looks of it, your TN doesn't exhibit as hideous color inversion as most TN panels suffer from.
As for the W2207 angle shot, the angles are smaller in both directions, but especially in the vertical angle (which is the Achilles' heel of TN panels' viewing angles), when compared to the earlier shots. Therefore, we can't draw definite conclusions. But even with the smaller angles, I would still say that the first IPS angle shot looks better than the TN. Although, the reflections might be skewing the perceived outcome. Nevertheless, I would assume that the difference would only amplify if the shot was taken with the same vertical angle. This would probably more clearly demonstrate the color inversion, as well.
In any case, I would say that with regards to the viewing angles, your IPS monitor is below average of IPS, and your TN monitor is above average of TN. The IPS part was to be expected, as it is indeed the cheapest alternative with its feature set. Also, it might even be the cheapest BECAUSE the viewing angle turned out to be below average. But the TN part was rather unexpected, as the W2207 apparently wasn't that costly, only around £200. I wonder how it would compare to the modern premium TN panels, which have apparently improved from earlier years. From what I've understood, the vertical angles are still a problem, though.
If you are unsatisfied with the XF270HU, and it's still inside the time frame for the DSR-based return (two weeks, I think?), you might want to return it. I'm not sure what DSR regulations your specific retailer follows, but you might be looking at taking a hit for the shipping. I personally wouldn't recommend asking for a refund/replacement on the basis of a "flawed/broken product", as the quality is probably what it's supposed to be. You probably won't get a better one, and they won't issue a refund on that basis.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/HP-w2207-22in-LCD-Monitor-review-hp-w2207-22in-lcd-monitor-page-4
"... while viewing angles are surprisingly good considering this uses a TN panel which aren't renowned for their viewing angles."
Nevertheless, the "... surprisingly good considering ..."-part implies that it was still no match for the IPS panels. But from the looks of it, your TN doesn't exhibit as hideous color inversion as most TN panels suffer from.
As for the W2207 angle shot, the angles are smaller in both directions, but especially in the vertical angle (which is the Achilles' heel of TN panels' viewing angles), when compared to the earlier shots. Therefore, we can't draw definite conclusions. But even with the smaller angles, I would still say that the first IPS angle shot looks better than the TN. Although, the reflections might be skewing the perceived outcome. Nevertheless, I would assume that the difference would only amplify if the shot was taken with the same vertical angle. This would probably more clearly demonstrate the color inversion, as well.
In any case, I would say that with regards to the viewing angles, your IPS monitor is below average of IPS, and your TN monitor is above average of TN. The IPS part was to be expected, as it is indeed the cheapest alternative with its feature set. Also, it might even be the cheapest BECAUSE the viewing angle turned out to be below average. But the TN part was rather unexpected, as the W2207 apparently wasn't that costly, only around £200. I wonder how it would compare to the modern premium TN panels, which have apparently improved from earlier years. From what I've understood, the vertical angles are still a problem, though.
If you are unsatisfied with the XF270HU, and it's still inside the time frame for the DSR-based return (two weeks, I think?), you might want to return it. I'm not sure what DSR regulations your specific retailer follows, but you might be looking at taking a hit for the shipping. I personally wouldn't recommend asking for a refund/replacement on the basis of a "flawed/broken product", as the quality is probably what it's supposed to be. You probably won't get a better one, and they won't issue a refund on that basis.
From a personal view, I am disappointed.
I have an Iiyama 28" VA panel ( http://www.iiyama.com/gb_en/products/prolite-x2888hs-b1/ )which has MUCH superior viewing angles than this and to be honest, I expected the same at a minimum.
I have an Iiyama 28" VA panel ( http://www.iiyama.com/gb_en/products/prolite-x2888hs-b1/ )which has MUCH superior viewing angles than this and to be honest, I expected the same at a minimum.
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I have never had a particulary amazing experince when it comes to Acer and build quality, their quality control seems to be a bit lacking and a lot of their products seem to go out with defects or issues that you would not expect or want to have in a product that you use daily. I for that reason have stopped buying their products since I had one of their tablets fail just outside of warrenty period and a couple of my friends have had bad experinces with them as well.
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Same, their 4k2k S277HK is one of the worst monitors i've ever had, and when I wanted to get it resolved, the hoops they tried to make me go through almost made it impossible to get it sent in to be looked at. I refuse to buy their products again.
Interesting thread regarding the PG279Q which uses the same panel...
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthrea...nels-*WARNING*&p=551967&viewfull=1#post551967
Can someone with a ROG forum account view the image and post it here please?
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http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthrea...nels-*WARNING*&p=551967&viewfull=1#post551967
Can someone with a ROG forum account view the image and post it here please?
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For the consumers the IPS glow is sometimes not acceptable, and they return their products because of it. But the retailers/manufacturers won't accept the glow as a flaw, as it is an inherent characteristic of the IPS panel technology, itself. Unless there's something VERY wrong with it.
You might want to take a look at http://tftcentral.co.uk/ reviews. Every review includes viewing angle shots. Although, they only take the shots from one angle at a time (up, down, left, right), they don't take from diagonal angles (upper-right, upper-left, bottom-right, bottom-left). The diagonal angles are indeed usually the worst-case-scenarios and show the flaws most clearly, but (probably) because those angles are not very common in usage, they don't include them.
Actually, if the glow is the only negative aspect on your monitor, then you should consider yourself lucky. There have been loads of threads about backlight bleed in the last couple of years.
In any case, none of the panel techs are perfect:
TN is good for fast-action games, where you need every last millisecond to triumph over your adversaries. But the compromises are usually not worth it for non-professional consumers. And bear in mind, the actual "good" gaming monitors are very costly, as well.
If you're not gaming at all, then VA is a good option, as they have deeper blacks and better contrast. Don't get me wrong, there are still some fair gaming monitors among VAs, as well. But indeed, VA is usually not hailed for its gaming prowess. It's a good all-arounder, and in some cases I would even recommend VA over IPS.
But in the end, IPS is still the optimal choice for most people. Especially after the prices came down few years ago. The benefits are simply greater than the compromises.
Low price, high quality, selection of features. When you focus on one, you'll have to compromise on another.
edit:
You do know that the thread you referred to points back to OcUK? Here's the linked thread:
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18674039
Didn't read it through (27 pages!), but from the looks of it, the primary issue with that monitor is indeed the backlight bleed (BLB), which has been on the focal point on many of the recent feature-rich monitors.
You might want to take a look at http://tftcentral.co.uk/ reviews. Every review includes viewing angle shots. Although, they only take the shots from one angle at a time (up, down, left, right), they don't take from diagonal angles (upper-right, upper-left, bottom-right, bottom-left). The diagonal angles are indeed usually the worst-case-scenarios and show the flaws most clearly, but (probably) because those angles are not very common in usage, they don't include them.
Actually, if the glow is the only negative aspect on your monitor, then you should consider yourself lucky. There have been loads of threads about backlight bleed in the last couple of years.
In any case, none of the panel techs are perfect:
TN is good for fast-action games, where you need every last millisecond to triumph over your adversaries. But the compromises are usually not worth it for non-professional consumers. And bear in mind, the actual "good" gaming monitors are very costly, as well.
If you're not gaming at all, then VA is a good option, as they have deeper blacks and better contrast. Don't get me wrong, there are still some fair gaming monitors among VAs, as well. But indeed, VA is usually not hailed for its gaming prowess. It's a good all-arounder, and in some cases I would even recommend VA over IPS.
But in the end, IPS is still the optimal choice for most people. Especially after the prices came down few years ago. The benefits are simply greater than the compromises.
Low price, high quality, selection of features. When you focus on one, you'll have to compromise on another.
edit:
You do know that the thread you referred to points back to OcUK? Here's the linked thread:
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18674039
Didn't read it through (27 pages!), but from the looks of it, the primary issue with that monitor is indeed the backlight bleed (BLB), which has been on the focal point on many of the recent feature-rich monitors.
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