Iran owns space

Think about the difference between S Korea, N Korea and Iran then come back with the answer.

None, double standards at its best.

Why does S Korea need to develop missiles and put satelites into orbit when the tech has all ready been developed elsewhere and could be bought much easier. Simple long range missile testing.
 
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None, double standards at its best.

Why does S Korea need to develop missiles and put satelites into orbit when the tech has all ready been developed elsewhere and could be bought much easier. Simple long range missile testing.

So you can see no difference in leadership styles between the North and South Korea?
 
You seem to have forgotten that the Japanese at the time were desperately trying to negotiate peace with one measly condition....that they could keep their Emperor...

That isn't accurate, the peace treaty they were trying to negoitiate had four conditions, one of which was to keep Manchuria and Korea.
 
Terrorism during war is still terrorism. It doesn't matter who the perpetrator is. "Surrender or we drop another bomb on your women and children" is pure terrorism.

The first thing the USA did as soon as it got nukes was terrorism.

They pretty much set the record for a single act of terrorism. All sides committed atrocities during WWII but only the losers had to pay for it.

The way I currently see it is that "world peace" can only begin to come about when every country is a nuclear power. Look at the cold war. How many hundreds of millions of deaths were avoided because both sides had their fingers on buttons?

What exactly do people think will happen if Iran gets nuclear weapons?

The problem here is that terrorism has no definition in international law. It would be more apt to describe it as a war crime than terrorism, if you were so inclined (and indeed this is what Einstein, amongst others, suggested it was).

Just to reiterate how almost meaningless the word 'terrorism' has become since September 11th 2001, illegal access of computer systems comes under The Terrorism Act rather than the Computer Misuse Act.

Oh wow the liberal bleeding heart brigade is strong in this thread.

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Are you referring to the American political definition of 'liberal' or the definition of 'liberal' that applies to those who believe in freedoms? :confused:
 
There have been many acts of war all ready commited, including sanctions, assassinations, mystery explosion, violations of airspace and continuous threats of an all out war. US dropped nukes on a civillian population , according to you to stop the war short, whilst Iran want a means to defend against war, which in effect will stop the war before it starts. Its a deterent, simply put. If that was happening to the UK, i assure you they wouldnt handled it as nicely as Iran has done.



Remind me who have Iran attacked in the last 100yrs, yep thats right they are the ones who have been attacked. How they govern their own country is none of your business really, fact of the matter is the countries complaining about Iran have a horrible current history of wars. Hence why the threat from these countries should be taken in seriousness, where as Iran is simply trying to protect it self from proven aggressors and oppressors. Just look at the main two countries complaining, Israel and the United States. Franlky they have no right to jusge the actions of the Iranian leadership.



Well thats not the case and simply a figmant of your imagination. Why do you think Iran is sabre rattling, surely its in response to something.....



You mean the revolution that got rid of the American installed puppet?

So, who is at war and is attacking iran?

It's everyone's business when dealing with a religious and political regime that openly murders and imprisons people who happen to disagree with its state issued line and calls for the death of foreign nationals for the slightest perceived insult.


The Shah might have been a dictator, but in terms of regional stability he was better than any of these crazy ayatollahs we have had since. A point worth stating yet again; something our western liberal democracy ignores time and time and time again - muslim countries don't want western democracy - and we cannot get our heads round the fact that unfortunately some of these countries with brutal dictators need to have brutal dictators in charge to keep the really crazy fanatics with a jackboot firmly on their necks to keep them under control... the dissolution of iraq is just such an example.
It's not fair, and it's not 'our' system, but that much is abundantly clear already.


Sounds to me like you've really got a hard on for iran. :p
I appreciate the double standard to which you are trying to allude, but seriously, you think iran is a good and benevolent place to live and the sort of country the rest of the world should allow to have a bigger stick with which to project its less than secular view of life on the region of the middle east and by extension, the rest of the world?

If you think that without any western 'meddling', iran would become some paragon of middle eastern peacemaker, with no designs on regional control or influence, content to do its own thing, then you need to take a good look at the way the middle east works, and understand why it is that western countries meddle in it with overtly very little to gain in the short term.
 
So, who is at war and is attacking iran?

There have been numerous countries, that have committed acts of war towards Iran. Including blowing up military sites, assassinating scientists, funding terror groups within Iran, economic sanctions, continuously threatening an all out war, cyber attacks etc do you want me to go on? And this is only current stuff, you dont have to venture too far back to complete acts of war.

It's everyone's business when dealing with a religious and political regime that openly murders and imprisons people who happen to disagree with its state issued line and calls for the death of foreign nationals for the slightest perceived insult.


What like the fanatical regimes that have been involved in illegal wars around the world, like the fanatical religious regime that has imprisoned an entire population of people because God told them to, that imprisons political figures who disagree with their apartheid policies? How Iran govern their country, is upto them.


The Shah might have been a dictator, but in terms of regional stability he was better than any of these crazy ayatollahs we have had since. A point worth stating yet again; something our western liberal democracy ignores time and time and time again - muslim countries don't want western democracy - and we cannot get our heads round the fact that unfortunately some of these countries with brutal dictators need to have brutal dictators in charge to keep the really crazy fanatics with a jackboot firmly on their necks to keep them under control... the dissolution of iraq is just such an example.
It's not fair, and it's not 'our' system, but that much is abundantly clear already.


Ooh now you support brutal dictators, yet you oppose leaders that have not started any wars in the last 100 years? Arent the ayatollahs effectively brutal dictators too? So perhaps you support them too. Its not up to western nations who runs what country.

Sounds to me like you've really got a hard on for iran. :p
I appreciate the double standard to which you are trying to allude, but seriously, you think iran is a good and benevolent place to live and the sort of country the rest of the world should allow to have a bigger stick with which to project its less than secular view of life on the region of the middle east and by extension, the rest of the world?

Sounds like you have a hard on for western imperialism, Iran has every right to defend itself and ultimately that's what its aims are. Its doesn't take a rockets scientist to understand what is going on around you in that region. Its none of the rest of the worlds business, when they do the same as what they accuse Iran of doing :D Do as I say not as I do, springs to mind, and quite frankly under no circumstance is that correct.

If you think that without any western 'meddling', iran would become some paragon of middle eastern peacemaker, with no designs on regional control or influence, content to do its own thing, then you need to take a good look at the way the middle east works, and understand why it is that western countries meddle in it with overtly very little to gain in the short term.

Why does Iran need to be a paragon of the middle east, is Israel as such? (yet we support them) are the US as such? And yes if it wasn't for western meddling Iran might not be so hostile towards us, can you not see that? If Poland funded, trained and supported the IRA to become the rulers of the UK in a bloody takeover, do you think the UK would be friendly with Poland once they had freed themselves? If Poland armed the French with weapons and chemical weapons and supported them in a war against the UK, do you think we would be friendly towards them? Do you not think the UK would do anything within its power to make sure that that never happens again? Whether that by political means or by military means?
 
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