is a move from a Q6600 to a Q9450 worth it for 3D rendering?

easyrider · 23 Dec 2008 at 19:55

rjkoneill said:
oh look - easy rider has waded in and started kicking off - how unsurprising

Discussing the facts is hardly kicking off. :confused:

No one mentioned the new instructions sets or the clock for clock speeds between the chips.

Someone has to offer impartial advice with the knowledge to back it up.

Your just unhappy that I have called your upgrade .

Fact is the extra cache and the 45nm process mean about a 200mhz gain over the same clocked Q6600.

Not worth the outlay of anyone's cash.

rjkoneill said:
the extra cache is really nice

This statement means what exactly?

No benchies to back it up no evidence other than sentiment.

Hardly the advice to share when the OP is about to waste his hard earned cash.

sambo_joseph · 23 Dec 2008 at 22:20

hey guys! ease up on the arguing please! youve all more than answered my question for me and I thank you all equally.

Big.Wayne · 23 Dec 2008 at 23:02

There isn't any argueing lol!

This is how we debate at OcUK! bit of xmas **** taking thrown in for good measure!

kmufc77 · 23 Dec 2008 at 23:29

ive just bought a Q9450 which arrived today havent installed it yet im going to be happy with my upgrade comming from a steaming hot B3 i think

ill be happy with a 20% improvement over my q6600 which is apparently the difference

rjk · 24 Dec 2008 at 00:52

easyrider said:
No benchies to back it up no evidence other than sentiment.

sorry - i will trawl the internet and find 15 benchmarks of comparison

oh no wait - i spent my money and did that myself - if the op is wanting to spend money on the chip - then he is going to be doing the same and looking for info himself

its hardly sentiment - just what i noticed from using my similar chip for the tasks that he asked about [rendering/encoding] which were quicker than a q6600

he wanted honest - real terms opinion and thats what i gave him

sorry my reply was not three pages long with the pros and cons of each chip

but i did not feel that it needed to be

as for justifying my purchase - whatever - it cost me £40 to switch - hardly worth raving over
assuming the op is looking to sell his q6600 which will give him around £120 [if my sale was anything to go by] then he will have a nice chunck of cash for the new chip be it retail or 2nd hand

i7 is not a viable prospect for most at the moment

few will use it to its full potential and its still fairly new/expensive so there is no point if a s775 works for what you need it for

but go ahead and be right

ive seen it from you time and time again

i will be sure to consult you before posting in future

rjk · 24 Dec 2008 at 00:58

and its core i7 not icore7 - just to be facetious

easyrider · 24 Dec 2008 at 01:49

rjkoneill said:
sorry

Snip:

200mhz gain in real terms over a Q6600 is what he will see.

You got lucky if the upgrade cost you 40.

If he can upgrade from Q6600 to Q9450 for 40 then thats fine.

But if its going to cost 100 then the upgrade is pointless.

icore 7 sounds better than core i7 it has a better ring to it.

kmufc77 · 24 Dec 2008 at 02:09

easyrider said:
Snip:

200mhz gain in real terms over a Q6600 is what he will see.

You got lucky if the upgrade cost you 40.

If he can upgrade from Q6600 to Q9450 for 40 then thats fine.

But if its going to cost 100 then the upgrade is pointless.

icore 7 sounds better than core i7 it has a better ring to it.

The upgrade is pointless in your opinion dosent mean its right, im moving from a Q6600 B3 and im looking foward to having lower temps and a 20% boost and a extra 4 mb cache ill be happy with that

easyrider · 24 Dec 2008 at 02:14

kmufc77 said:
The upgrade is pointless in in your opion, im moving from a Q6600 B3 and im looking foward to having lower temps and a 20% and a extra 4 mb extra cache boost ill be happy with that

B3 @ 3.3ghz and 3.6ghz Q9450 is hardly an upgrade.

But each to their own.

Remember the multi on the Q9450 is lower than than the Q6600 so FSB is the limiting factor not temps.

I will buy your B3 email in trust

setter · 24 Dec 2008 at 02:18

My advice would be to stick with the q6600, yes i know it runs hot, costs a teeny bit more to run. but in my opinion its the best bang for buck cpu intel have ever made, a q9450 wouldnt be much of an upgrade at this time, better sticking with the q6600 and waiting to i7 becomes more affordable.

easyrider · 24 Dec 2008 at 12:56

setter said:
My advice would be to stick with the q6600, yes i know it runs hot, costs a teeny bit more to run. but in my opinion its the best bang for buck cpu intel have ever made, a q9450 wouldnt be much of an upgrade at this time, better sticking with the q6600 and waiting to i7 becomes more affordable.

Agreed, some people don't like the truth. :confused:

Big.Wayne · 24 Dec 2008 at 13:57

There is no truth, just opinion, stubborness and inflated ego's . . .

easyrider · 24 Dec 2008 at 14:02

Big.Wayne said:
There is no truth, just opinion, stubborness and inflated ego's . . .

You can't handle the truth! (jack nicholsons voice)

Big.Wayne · 24 Dec 2008 at 14:12

Easy, what are you going on about?

don't you know the difference between opinion and fact? hehe don't bother asnwering that because we all know you don't!

Just to focus the debate, I ask you to define *Worth* as in . .

"is a move from a Q6600 to a Q9450 worth it for 3D rendering?"

TBH If one was to take a harsh look at the upgrades people make I don't think many of them are worth it, but then again most of us upgrade for those little 5%-10% gains, pretty much always incremental evolution and not utterly revolutionary!

It's a hobby we all enjoy so for that reason sometimes it is *worth* it just for a few weeks until the shiney wears off.

And you of all people easyrider have upgraded and swapped out mobos, cpus, memory etc, spending countless hours and hard cash £££ on overclocking akready fast CPU's, the question is to you . . .Was it worth it?"

kmufc77 · 24 Dec 2008 at 14:17

Big.Wayne said:
Easy, what are you going on about?

don't you know the difference between opinion and fact? hehe don't bother asnwering that because we all know you don't!

Just to focus the debate, I ask you to define *Worth* as in . .

"is a move from a Q6600 to a Q9450 worth it for 3D rendering?"

TBH If one was to take a harsh look at the upgrades people make I don't think many of them are worth it, but then again most of us upgrade for those little 5%-10% gains, pretty much always incremental evolution and not utterly revolutionary!

It's a hobby we all enjoy so for that reason sometimes it is *worth* it just for a few weeks until the shiney wears off.

And you of all people easyrider have upgraded and swapped out mobos, cpus, memory etc, spending countless hours and hard cash £££ on overclocking akready fast CPU's, the question is to you . . .Was it worth it?"

nice post

sambo_joseph · 24 Dec 2008 at 14:19

Big.Wayne said:
Easy, what are you going on about?

don't you know the difference between opinion and fact? hehe don't bother asnwering that because we all know you don't!

Just to focus the debate, I ask you to define *Worth* as in . .

"is a move from a Q6600 to a Q9450 worth it for 3D rendering?"

TBH If one was to take a harsh look at the upgrades people make I don't think many of them are worth it, but then again most of us upgrade for those little 5%-10% gains, pretty much always incremental evolution and not utterly revolutionary!

It's a hobby we all enjoy so for that reason sometimes it is *worth* it just for a few weeks until the shiney wears off.

And you of all people easyrider have upgraded and swapped out mobos, cpus, memory etc, spending countless hours and hard cash £££ on overclocking akready fast CPU's, the question is to you . . .Was it worth it?"

Well to me 3D work is a bit more than a hobby - I do freelance and work for a 3D company so I'm hoping I will see returns from any future upgrades which greatly increase my productivity and workflow.

From reading everybody's input it sounds like I really should just sit on this processor until the i7 price becomes a more realistic option.

Thanks again so much guys for all your opinions/facts

easyrider · 24 Dec 2008 at 14:23

Big.Wayne said:
And you of all people easyrider have upgraded and swapped out mobos, cpus, memory etc, spending countless hours and hard cash £££ on overclocking akready fast CPU's, the question is to you . . .Was it worth it?"

I never did upgrade to the 45nm quads from Q6600 as I saw little gains.

I bought a Q9250 45nm (never released by intel) for 80 quid for a bit of fun but had that 3 weeks and sold it for 140.

Now I have no PC other than my laptop,

I still have the case and the loop and the PSU etc...

My point is upgrading has to be worth it in terms of speed increase.

The majority of my chips that I tested were the new released 6400,2160,2180and the Q6600.

I bought countless mobo's but sold them weeks later for little loss.

Spending 100 on a current system has to see gains. Or there is no point.

I can see real gains in video editing with i7 so thats why I am thinking about upgrading again.

The chips are cheaper than Q9450's the mobo's are now 150 quid and 120 quid can get me a 6gb DDR3 triple kit.

Thats my point.

easyrider · 24 Dec 2008 at 14:25

sambo_joseph said:
From reading everybody's input it sounds like I really should just sit on this processor until the i7 price becomes a more realistic option.

Thanks again so much guys for all your opinions/facts

Exactly,

i7 is the only upgrade path from quad s775 at this time.

Nothing elese will see you big enough gains at all.

Q9450's are overpriced now.

Big.Wayne · 24 Dec 2008 at 14:25

sambo_joseph said:
I'm hoping I will see returns from any future upgrades which greatly increase my productivity and workflow.

Wow, we got ourselves a real life 3D-designer on the forums!

excellent, can I pick your brains a bit, like maybe describe what a very busy day or work would be like for you, where is the bottleneck where sometimes you are sitting waiting for stuff? i.e: What would be a big task for you where the computer will keep you waiting (and therefor less productive).

What are the main software tools you use and are they multithreaded?

It's clear you got a bit of spare cash to spend and with the extra justification of your PC being a work-horse there may well be some spending happening soon!

easyrider · 24 Dec 2008 at 14:30

kmufc77 said:
nice post

I would argue that two PC's one with a 3.2ghz Q6600 in and the other with a 3.2ghz Q9450 in

The user would not notice any difference at all.

Other than the comfort blanket of looking in cpuz at the more cache and the 45nm process.

The two cpu's are just to similar to warrant spending more than 40 on the upgrade.