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IS AGP DEAD?

Aye, think the end of high end AGP cards has now past, though they'll probably be value/mid range cards for a good few years yet.

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winngames said:
IS AGP DEAD?:confused:
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with 2600xt comming to agp and rumours of nvidias 86 series and possibly 9 series cards also comming to agp, id say agp is gonna have a longer life than pci-e 1.0 seeing how pci-e 2.0 is gonna replace pcie v1.

doubt we gonna see the end of agp for a long time yet. :)
 
thats true with the value/midrange cards, but come the next generation such as g90 or so the mid range cards like a 9600gt or so will be faster than a x1950pro, and probably quicker than a x1950xt even, hopefully they will appear on agp. although their main use will probably be using them for htpc use for hd video decoding.
 
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Well to be honest Cyber-Mav is right, keep it to topic from now on please.

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Not really when hes considering a whole technology solution (AGP) to the initial revision of its successor (PCI-E v1.0) - if you really wanted to do an apples to apples comparison compare AGP v1.0 to PCI-E v1.0 rather than generalising it to suit your argument...

Its like me quoting that PCI will have a longer life than PCI-E v1.0 because it still exists and the majority of expansion cards are created for it. Not exactly the most revealing or useful 'fact' ever...

AGP will remain around just like PCI for niche applications, for any serious requirements youre better off ignoring it for most purposes...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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my athlon [email protected] with x1950pro agp can do h264 720p video decoding quite well in software using coreavc decoder, but in documentaries where there is like a million birds flying off or lots of sand particles etc the video becomes choppy and starts to stutter, and 1080p video stutters whenever there is lots of motion going on.

a new cpu for me is needed but if i can get a new gfx card for agp that will sort out the video decoding then i can still make use of old machines i have lying around.

im sure there are plenty of people on here that have some old systems lying around which a new gfx card could bring a lot of life into other than to just surf the net and do office stuff on.
 
ps3ud0 said:
Not really when hes considering a whole technology solution (AGP) to the initial revision of its successor (PCI-E v1.0) - if you really wanted to do an apples to apples comparison compare AGP v1.0 to PCI-E v1.0 rather than generalising it to suit your argument...

Its like me quoting that PCI will have a longer life than PCI-E v1.0 because it still exists and the majority of expansion cards are created for it. Not exactly the most revealing or useful 'fact' ever...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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im taking general lifespan into account, agp has lasted how many years now? we just about managed to get rid of the ISA slots last year, but regular pci slots are still around.

yes technology advances fast but from what i have seen newer tech has an even shorter life span than older tech does.
 
As I said niche applications...

Looking at the OPs question the answer can only be subjective, considering the reason why Intel developed AGP to provide a dedicated pathway between the CPU and GPU sub-system to allow increases in bandwidth in 3d applications in essence AGP just doesnt adequately fulfill that role anymore.

Im not just considering bandwidth but with technologies like SLI/Crossfire developed on PCI-E, AGP just doesnt fit the brief anymore...

Cyber-Mav said:
im taking general lifespan into account, agp has lasted how many years now? we just about managed to get rid of the ISA slots last year, but regular pci slots are still around.

yes technology advances fast but from what i have seen newer tech has an even shorter life span than older tech does.
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Then why keep comparing oranges to apples? Im unsure how youve reached your summation regards newer technology having a shorter lifespan (what are you referring to :confused:) since if you are referring to PCI-E I doubt even that AGP system of yours can power a time machine ;)

I dont mean to have a personal attack on you, but you seem to state the most bizarre things and play them off as facts IME...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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Cyber-Mav said:
with 2600xt comming to agp and rumours of nvidias 86 series and possibly 9 series cards also comming to agp, id say agp is gonna have a longer life than pci-e 1.0 seeing how pci-e 2.0 is gonna replace pcie v1.

doubt we gonna see the end of agp for a long time yet. :)
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Your logic is flawed.

You say pci-e is going to have a short life because pci-e 2 will replace it.

Following on from your chain of thought. That means that AGP must definitly be replaced by now as there will have been PCI-e and PCI-E 2.

Just because PCI-E 2 comes out does not mean it will automaticaly replace PCI-E nore did that replace AGP.

Yes AGP is now just fazing out. It wont be to long before everyone is on PCI-E
 
i doubt everyone will be on pcie, majority of pc users are on integrated graphics, its mainly the enthusiasts which use pcie cards.

as for pcie there was a thread on here saying pcie2 cards won;t work on pcie1 slots, so that kills pcie1 lifespan greatly if its true.

and 8x agp cards seems to work fine on 4x agp ports so going by that agp is not dead and won;t be for a while yet.

who knows, maybe my asrock board now will be going back to agp in the future for a more powerful card.... doubt it though unless something more powerful than a 8800gtx is out for agp, which i doubt will happen.....
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as for pcie there was a thread on here saying pcie2 cards won;t work on pcie1 slots, so that kills pcie1 lifespan greatly if its true.

and 8x agp cards seems to work fine on 4x agp ports so going by that agp is not dead and won;t be for a while yet.
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Conviently forgotten about the incompatibilities between AGP Spec v1 and v2 due to using different voltages and keying? ;):p

As you probably gathered Im very pro-technology advancements and one major issue delaying these is support for legacy systems, the quicker we get rid of them the better - makes life so much easier for developers and the like - look at how long Windows has had to support 16bit code...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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