Is Creative/EAX still king?
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Maybe it is that most people don't need an audio box to play games, and they value better graphics over better sounds rather than your card being difficult to sell?
I.e. An Xtreme Music is very cheap card and basically does the same as the 'high end' version of the card.
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I.e. An Xtreme Music is very cheap card and basically does the same as the 'high end' version of the card.
Matthew
They lost their way when a huge percentage of their high-end cards have numerous faults. From small and niggly to big and unusable. And they lost more points with me for taking 15 months to release new XP drivers which didn't even help!
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I dont know what you are on about.
EAX is still the industry standard, even Vista has not changed that just because MS messed up the Soundstack in Windows making Vista.
EAX still works 100% with no issues in all OpenAL Games (most modern games should be this) and with Emulation/Conversion using Creative ALchemy in DirectSound Games (older tech should really be dead by now).
EAX is still the industry standard, even Vista has not changed that just because MS messed up the Soundstack in Windows making Vista.
EAX still works 100% with no issues in all OpenAL Games (most modern games should be this) and with Emulation/Conversion using Creative ALchemy in DirectSound Games (older tech should really be dead by now).
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I guess that's true (and EAX is great) but it doesn't stop a large percentage of the actual cards having issues with thousands of threads on the creative discussion forums listing so many problems
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I aint a Creative lover, their hardware is the best but software/support sucks most times.
But give credit where its due, the X-FI's have gave me far less crap than the Audigys and if peeps cant grab newest driver and/or update Mobo bios to sort out issues with 4GB+Vista than thats their fault not Creative.
I never even had that issue as its all down to the Mobo Chipset and Latency of PCI Bus.
In regards to the OP's post I answered it, it had nothing to do with any threads about complaints.
But give credit where its due, the X-FI's have gave me far less crap than the Audigys and if peeps cant grab newest driver and/or update Mobo bios to sort out issues with 4GB+Vista than thats their fault not Creative.
I never even had that issue as its all down to the Mobo Chipset and Latency of PCI Bus.
In regards to the OP's post I answered it, it had nothing to do with any threads about complaints.
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The motherboard bios can cause sound issues with the xifi's :/
Another thing for me to try out I guess
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Im suprised you do not know this, it was famous on the NF4's and even the Asus Striker Extreme's last offical Non Beta Bios is for the X-FI (again I had no issues anyhow).
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Xfis still the top end soundcard going dispite its issues, there the only one to offer a decent breakout box, theres few others about but not quite on the scale of the Xfi series.
Would idealy like to wait on the Xfi 2 cards but dont think we will see em anytime soon
Would idealy like to wait on the Xfi 2 cards but dont think we will see em anytime soon
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without delving too much into the technical side of things, i dont see how its a motherboards fault for these xfi's having problems. if it were, they be causing problems with other cards too. but you dont hear of people having problems with 4gb or ram and onboard sound, or other pci cards - like my xonar d2, or other realtek or c-media based cards.
i think to say its the motherboards is a bit of a cop out really. i doubt peopel would blame the board if ati cards werent working correctly, for example.
i think to say its the motherboards is a bit of a cop out really. i doubt peopel would blame the board if ati cards werent working correctly, for example.
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I did not have issue with Mobo+X-FI or 4GB+X-FI, at a guess it may have to do with the PCI Bus latenecy on some Mobos.
Some NF4's actually let you adjust the latency and this stops Creative cards screaming.
All I know is the Bios updates for the NF4 and early EVGA 680I's did fix issues for most so it must have been the Mobo.
I have had my fair share of a bellyfull of crap from Creative over the years BTW.
Some NF4's actually let you adjust the latency and this stops Creative cards screaming.
All I know is the Bios updates for the NF4 and early EVGA 680I's did fix issues for most so it must have been the Mobo.
I have had my fair share of a bellyfull of crap from Creative over the years BTW.
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Very true. Just looking through the first couple of pages of the Creative Labs tech support and most of them are related to the X-Fi series and problems with sound. Their support is quite disgustingly poor....as a matter of fact, its so poor that one of the guys from Auzentech re-wrote the drivers for the creative cards so they would work better.
I'm having to use a modded set of drivers just to get my Audigy 2 ZS to run properly in Vista x64, shocking really (I can't upgrade to X-Fi because my speakers - Cambridge Soundworks DTT3500 - aren't compatible thanks to Creative changing the SPDIF specs on a whim)
I'm just about to plug my Audigy 2 ZS into my Vista64 box , what drivers did you get it working with , you could save me a lot of grief
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No issues in Vista64 here, if you cant get satifaction after latest Drivers, you need get your Mobo vendor to write a new Bios or buy another Mobo 
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P.S, the 4GB+vista issue is in the past, ok it took ages to fix but again not all were effected, down to Mobo Chipset and I bet latencies again.
.P.S, the 4GB+vista issue is in the past, ok it took ages to fix but again not all were effected, down to Mobo Chipset and I bet latencies again.
No issues in Vista64 here, if you cant get satifaction after latest Drivers, you need get your Mobo vendor to write a new Bios or buy another Mobo
P.S, the 4GB+vista issue is in the past, ok it took ages to fix but again not all were effected, down to Mobo Chipset and I bet latencies again.
Excuse me while I politely ask Gigabyte to sort out Creative's problems for me. Sadly it doesn't work that way. I see you also blame Microsoft as well for some of the problems?
But anyway, please can you give a bit of advice on the latencies? You mean PCI bus latency. What can I try in regards to this? I'm willing to have a go a changing stuff (not that I haven't tried plenty already). I'm on XP with a Gigabyte DS4. Thanks
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Lets get something clear.
I aint a fanboy of Creative, the ZS was the biggest POS ever (at software level).
If some not all get issues how can it be down to Creative ?.
If Asus who have crap support can make a Bios with 1 fix (X-FI Fix) why cant Gigabyte, now peeps need get over it and move on or buy another Mobo or Soundcard.
I aint ever had a Mobo with PCI Latency settings AFAIR since I always use Asus so cant help but I bet Google can.
I aint a fanboy of Creative, the ZS was the biggest POS ever (at software level).
If some not all get issues how can it be down to Creative ?.
If Asus who have crap support can make a Bios with 1 fix (X-FI Fix) why cant Gigabyte, now peeps need get over it and move on or buy another Mobo or Soundcard.
I aint ever had a Mobo with PCI Latency settings AFAIR since I always use Asus so cant help but I bet Google can.
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