Is delidding a 4790k now a necessity?

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I just paired a 3070 Ti with my 4790k, but I noticed that after a little while, performance degrades, I get FPS spikes and the PC seems to get really hot.

When I ran a stress test on the CPU, I found the Core 0 temp spiked almost immediately to 100C, Core 1 was 80C+, while Core 3 and 4 was as low as 57C-60C. This is with the CPU at stock speed/voltages and turbo mode disabled. CPU-Z showed the CPU throttling down to 3.2GHz after just a few minutes on the stress test.

I have quite a beefy aircooler, I replaced the thermal paste twice and cleaned everything out just to be sure but I couldn't feel the CPU cooler getting hot until the processor itself had been running for quite a while. I figured that there can't be effective heat transfer from the CPU die to the IHS in the first place, because everything else seems fine.

Given how old the 4790ks are now, is delidding it and replacing the old TIM a necessity for all owners of this CPU?

I know there are a lot of people still running it and want to pair them with the latest RTX series of cards, but are worried about bottlenecks. It seems natural to get CPU bottlenecks if their 4790ks are overheating/throttling due to their age....
 
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That Intel's bubblegum/toothpaste under heatspreader is definite number one suspect for those temps.
So delidding would extremely likely help to that.

Though quad core will still stay as bottleneck in modern heavy games depending on resolution.
 
While it's true a stress test like Prime95 Max power mode does instantly ramp the temp to 100!! (pulling 250w overall power according to the Corsair psu readout) and hovers between 93-100 once aio water temp stabilizes while at 4.4ghz. In normal use such as gaming , there should be no temp issues whatsoever if left at stock. My 4790k spends most of its time encoding x264 video and even with all cores running at 100%, the temp is never higher than 70.

I don't think delidding is necessary unless you really want to heat up the cpu with a larger overclock. Just don't waste ya life running stress tests that don't even represent a normal work load.
 
I opened up the Core Temp app while I had GTA5 running. Core 0 was up at 91-97C. It's not just the stress tests overstretching my CPU.
 
It's a relatively simple process especially if you have a delid tool. adding liquid metal to my old 4770k made a huge difference to my temperatures and yours sounds like a prime candidate.
 
Thanks Too Tall.

I bought the kit and the liquid metal, I'll report how it went afterwards!

Just in case people are interested. Core temps on Idle:


Core temps after 20 seconds of full load (only 20s!):
 
I have to say that delidding has been overwhelmingly successful :D

Core temps BEFORE - 20 seconds of load at stock: 96C / 79C / 63C / 57C

Core temps AFTER - 10 minutes of load and an overclock: 78C / 76C / 78C / 78C

 
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Very nice!

Delidding really does work wonders. I have an i7 7700k that it shaved similar amounts off, albeit at 5ghz. Bear in mind though after a long while it will need cleaning down and re-applying. Actually mine may have been 4 years before noticing spikes on one core again - but it was an overnight thing rather than slow degredation. Re-de-lidding fixed again! There was barely any trace of the original liquid metal inside.

Thought i'd mention this an nobody ever seems to!
 
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Very nice!

Delidding really does work wonders. I have an i7 7700k that it shaved similar amounts off, albeit at 5ghz. Bear in mind though after a long while it will need cleaning down and re-applying. Actually mine may have been 4 years before noticing spikes on one core again - but it was an overnight thing rather than slow degredation. Re-de-lidding fixed again! There was barely any trace of the original liquid metal inside.

Thought i'd mention this an nobody ever seems to!
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Thanks!

It's my first time delidding, over my past XX number of years of PC building it was always portrayed as a bad thing to do so I avoided even learning about it. In reality, it's dead easy to do, very little risk if you take the proper precautions and it's saved me from buying a new processor. If I can get another 4 years out of this thing I'll be laughing.

And you're right, I haven't heard anything about the long time effects of using liquid metal, but at least it doesn't need to be done as often as regular thermal paste, and I have no problem with attempting the process again in future if necessary,
 
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Did it noticeably improve gaming performance?
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Yes, but mainly because my CPU was throttling to as low as 3.2GHz when under load.

I've maxed out GTAV at 1080p and getting 90-115fps during normal play, with occasional dips to 40-50fps when there's a lot going on on-screen.

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When I delidded my 3770k I didn't bother gluing it back together so if I ever need to do it again it will be a lot quicker and easier.

Link here for anyone interested: Adventures in Delidding | Overclockers UK Forums
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I scraped on the lightest amount of black sealant onto the 'wings' of the IHS, and then immediately screwed my CPU cooler on top of it (using it as a clamp). It's just enough to stick it down without creating too much of a gap between the IHS and the top of the die.
 
1.5 years later - I had to give this another try.

CPU was idling at 55C+ and instantly spiked to 100C whenever I put any kind of load on the CPU. I de-lidded the CPU heatsink and found the liquid metal (Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut) had totally dried onto the surface of the heatsink (or reacted with it somehow) and there was nothing left on the die itself except a black smudge. Neither alcohol, acetone, fingernails or a credit card would remove this stuff from the heatsink, so I resorted to 1200 grit and 1500 grit sandpaper. Polished it lightly until I had a somewhat clean surface. Now I'm idling in the 38-39C range and struggling to get above 67-68C after 10 mins of heavy load, which is WAY better than before.

Looks like I have saved my CPU from death once again!
 
Dunno if dies are more fragile these days but back in the days of the athlon xp etc everything was direct die and it be very rare to ever hear of dies getting damaged due to cooler mounting. Granted these days pc building is far simpler so anyone can do it and no real skill or knowledge is needed. Watch YouTube vids and do as... Except for that one vid.. you know which one i mean.
 
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Dunno if dies are more fragile these days but back in the days of the athlon xp etc everything was direct die and it be very rare to ever hear of dies getting damaged due to cooler mounting. Granted these days pc building is far simpler so anyone can do it and no real skill or knowledge is needed. Watch YouTube vids and do as... Except for that one vid.. you know which one i mean.
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I think so :D
 
PTRACER said:
1.5 years later - I had to give this another try.

CPU was idling at 55C+ and instantly spiked to 100C whenever I put any kind of load on the CPU. I de-lidded the CPU heatsink and found the liquid metal (Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut) had totally dried onto the surface of the heatsink (or reacted with it somehow) and there was nothing left on the die itself except a black smudge. Neither alcohol, acetone, fingernails or a credit card would remove this stuff from the heatsink, so I resorted to 1200 grit and 1500 grit sandpaper. Polished it lightly until I had a somewhat clean surface. Now I'm idling in the 38-39C range and struggling to get above 67-68C after 10 mins of heavy load, which is WAY better than before.

Looks like I have saved my CPU from death once again!
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Liquid metal is not stable it will evaporate (yikes) and it attacks metals it'll literally eat it away it some are more resistant than others but its not something I'd use myself
 
Deffo not good for long term use. If going for world record clocks then yea.
Anyone used conventional paste under the ihs like mx4 etc? How does it fair to stock intel paste?
 
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