is Ghost Recon Expected to Stutter on my system or just how it is?

[Armageus]

its not meant to be a shock either, i know theres a few years between this and the haswell i3, so architecture has changed, but regardless of the lower clock speed as well, the formula is still the same pretty much, 2 cores 4 threads which is why i wanted to know specifically what the issue was if a newer i3 never gave me bottleneck. i could get a cooler and overclock to 3.6 or near there if that was the issue, but i doubt it is.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i3-540-vs-Intel-i3-4130-vs-Intel-i5-2400S/738vs2015vs794

An i3-4130 has around 60% better single threaded performance, partly through the 0.33Ghz clock speed advantage, and partly through 3 generations of IPC improvement (~11% from 1st-2nd gen, 3-6% 2nd-3rd gen, 5% 3rd-4th gen).

Overclocking will make up some of that shortfall, but not all.

A 4130 may well run it well enough - performance in general is similar to the required i5-2400S, but going forward games are making better use of threading, so 4 physical threads will be more advantageous than the 2 Physical / 2 Logical i3.

 

[ExoMale]

Someone I know tried out the benchmark during the free weekend with an RX480 and and AMD Phenom II. Most FPS at lowest settings sub-1080p was 30 (avergaed 20ish), GPU utilisation never went close to 100% and changing graphical settings did barely much at all to help.

I took the opportunity to remind them that it's time to upgrade to Ryzen. If I'm not mistaken, this game is pretty CPU heavy.

I myself haven't played this game since open beta. Back then with a 4790k and a 970 I was struggling to get 60fps at 1080p. I feel like it's been worse this weekend with my Xeon and 980ti (admittedly I put most of the graphical settings at max or close to it), averaging around 40fps in gameplay. This seems to backup my theory that this game likes CPU, since having a much better graphics card doesn't seem to outweigh having a slightly worse CPU.

My brother got average ~50% GPU utilisation (around 30fps @ 1080p settings) on i5-4460 and RX480 back in the beta, but he didn't try the game this weekend. I'm inclined to believe that he might have gotten similar results these days.

seems like this game has been made favour to those who have money to buy high end 1070-1080ti cards and i7 processors then which is bad i feel, but i think this game is meant to run better with Nvidia.

 

[McGraw]

Is the game installed on an SSD?

I've got a 4790k OC'ed and a 1070 and it's fine for 60fps at high/ultra settings 1440p but it never runs smoothly. Every time it struggles I only have to look down to see the access light on as it streams from the SSD. It would be even worse from a HDD.

8gb is also probably not ideal.

Before you upgrade, make sure the game is installed on an SSD with plenty of spare room and you are running no unnecessary services or programs.

It may improve things enough for you to manage...or it will prove everyone right above who says your CPU isn't up to it which I would agree with.

 

[Armageus]

seems like this game has been made favour to those who have money to buy high end 1070-1080ti cards and i7 processors then which is bad i feel, but i think this game is meant to run better with Nvidia.

Got to love your logic.... doesn't run well on your 8 year old low end processor, so immediately you go to the extreme and suggest it needs the absolute highest end new system to run.

An 1156 I5 or I7 likely would be enough to remove your bottleneck, or as you say a newer I3 would equally be good enough.

 

[HRL]

An 1156 I5 or I7 likely would be enough to remove your bottleneck, or as you say a newer I3 would equally be good enough.

As he said, you must be able to pick up an old i7 that's compatible with that socket for next to nothing these days. Well worth a try I would say. Difference will probably be night and day too, even with your existing GPU.

 

[ExoMale]

Got to love your logic.... doesn't run well on your 8 year old low end processor, so immediately you go to the extreme and suggest it needs the absolute highest end new system to run.

An 1156 I5 or I7 likely would be enough to remove your bottleneck, or as you say a newer I3 would equally be good enough.

actually no, that isnt my logic lol, like i said in one of my replies, i was checking a benchmark list on that 'notebookcheck' site(linked from a google search, not purposely typed the page) as i wanted to find out what mobile gpu youd need and all the green highlights with 50 plus fps were mostly high end parts as it states further down what their test systems are.

here is said link for my 'logic' https://www.notebookcheck.net/Ghost-Recon-Wildlands-Notebook-and-Desktop-Benchmarks.207090.0.html.

maybe ill try the overclock option till i find something better first as i still am looking for a replacement system if worthy enough, mean ive just missed out on a i5 4460, 8gb, asus h81m-plus tower for £75 because i cant get anyone to pick it up and tomorrow i could go pick up an am3 -matx with fx 4130 for £30, but stats put it only marginally better in certain areas to my i3.

in a way i wish i didnt buy my elite 110 and got another cube that supports bigger boards

 

[ExoMale]

Is the game installed on an SSD?

I've got a 4790k OC'ed and a 1070 and it's fine for 60fps at high/ultra settings 1440p but it never runs smoothly. Every time it struggles I only have to look down to see the access light on as it streams from the SSD. It would be even worse from a HDD.

8gb is also probably not ideal.

Before you upgrade, make sure the game is installed on an SSD with plenty of spare room and you are running no unnecessary services or programs.

It may improve things enough for you to manage...or it will prove everyone right above who says your CPU isn't up to it which I would agree with.

the folder for ubisoft launcher and files for it are on an ssd, the actual games are installed on a sata 3 1tb hdd 7200rpm running through a sata 2 port, my ssd is the recent purchased 120gb wgd which currently has like 60gb left although i think i might have actually sent the ubisoft folder with my other programs to my 32gb ssd im using as storage, so basically i dont have the capacity for a 55gb game on an ssd.

 

[AiiR]

actually no, that isnt my logic lol, like i said in one of my replies, i was checking a benchmark list on that 'notebookcheck' site(linked from a google search, not purposely typed the page) as i wanted to find out what mobile gpu youd need and all the green highlights with 50 plus fps were mostly high end parts as it states further down what their test systems are.

here is said link for my 'logic' https://www.notebookcheck.net/Ghost-Recon-Wildlands-Notebook-and-Desktop-Benchmarks.207090.0.html.

maybe ill try the overclock option till i find something better first as i still am looking for a replacement system if worthy enough, mean ive just missed out on a i5 4460, 8gb, asus h81m-plus tower for £75 because i cant get anyone to pick it up and tomorrow i could go pick up an am3 -matx with fx 4130 for £30, but stats put it only marginally better in certain areas to my i3.

in a way i wish i didnt buy my elite 110 and got another cube that supports bigger boards

Well duh you'd need a high end mobile GPU to run it, most mobile GPU's below a 970m are trash for gaming and any gaming laptops with that level of graphical horsepower are always going to be pricey because of the form factor.

The reason you're getting stutter, as has already been pointed out several times, is because your paltry i3 is being thrashed by a demanding game. You need more physical threads, a 1050ti is fine for GR at 1080p but your current system is struggling. Look on the bay and get a Xeon X3430 for less than £10 which will give you 4 physical cores and you'll see a decent uplift in performance.

 

[nashathedog]

Look on the bay and get a Xeon X3430 for less than £10 which will give you 4 physical cores and you'll see a decent uplift in performance.

This is the best option if it fits your motherboard and you want to keep costs as low as possible, That or an i5 or i7 from the same generation which will give you a few more years use out of your current build.

 

[ExoMale]

Well duh you'd need a high end mobile GPU to run it, most mobile GPU's below a 970m are trash for gaming and any gaming laptops with that level of graphical horsepower are always going to be pricey because of the form factor.

The reason you're getting stutter, as has already been pointed out several times, is because your paltry i3 is being thrashed by a demanding game. You need more physical threads, a 1050ti is fine for GR at 1080p but your current system is struggling. Look on the bay and get a Xeon X3430 for less than £10 which will give you 4 physical cores and you'll see a decent uplift in performance.

Not just about mobile graphics listed in that link nor was i just talking about those graphic chips. yes im fully aware the first time what has been said about my i3, i am catching up on replies plus i dont just want 'bottleneck' to be the only reason, i learn from what i read more than experiencing which is why i ask for specific information.

 

[ExoMale]

ive changed im plans, after my last couple replies last night while i was doing file transfers and playing The Forest the system shutdown again, so i thought screw it, ive put my am1 in my elite with my 1050ti keeping the 8gb ram too and ive put my intel back in the smaller Cit case to test it then sell it, cant be bothered with it now.

my sempron just about managed Fortnite on low-medium(did a video of all presets), the recon weekend is over, so ill wait till i can get a better system before i buy that, im hoping my sempron might handle sim city 2013 and possibly skyline, you can notice the slowness through other activity(first time i actually used this) lol, video editing is still fine enough which is a plus.

 

[heatonpkmassive]

You've been given the right advice a few times here, you should follow it. You'd have so much more satisfaction when gaming.

 

[oldestgregg]

now i know recon requires quads pretty much, but normally i can be fine

You answered your own question there! Basically you know what the problem is but you thought it may not be a problem despite knowing it was a problem

 

[ExoMale]

You answered your own question there! Basically you know what the problem is but you thought it may not be a problem despite knowing it was a problem

ha great logic isnt it, i suppose because the 4160 i had was my first i3(first hyperthreading after a dual i5 with turbo) and the only quads ive ever had were q6600, q8300, athlon x4 860k and also had a athlon x3 of which the q8300 was the only one i tried to game with lol, i am just assuming all i3 variants will basically perform the same with the hyperthreading making them act like quads and really more about clock speeds being more apparent effect. think i gamed with the haswell i3 too much lol, think i only played anno 2205 on an 1155 i3 aswell, im too much of a console gamer ha.

 

[oldestgregg]

Its as much about it being a low end CPU than not being a quad core. Its just not that powerful of a processor really.

 

[nashathedog]

Your currently using a cpu released 8 years ago, Why not spend a few extra quid & get yourself a Ryzen cpu from the MM along with the other bit's you'd need. If you stick with it like you have with what you're using now you'll more than get your moneys worth over it's lifetime.

 

[4K8KW10]

im used to taking pictures with my phone, so i dont think of screenshots lol, but thanks for the advise.

its not meant to be a shock either, i know theres a few years between this and the haswell i3, so architecture has changed, but regardless of the lower clock speed as well, the formula is still the same pretty much, 2 cores 4 threads which is why i wanted to know specifically what the issue was if a newer i3 never gave me bottleneck. i could get a cooler and overclock to 3.6 or near there if that was the issue, but i doubt it is.

Look at the instructions sets, the i3 540 lacks a lot of instructions which the game might be using:

 

[ExoMale]

Good shout on the instructions, is there a way to find out what instructions a game uses without being a coding wizard or creator of said game? For a future reference like.

Yeah I know it’s very old and really you need the 750 or an i7 to stay in the game somewhat, but I read it to be a good performer and a good overclocker, but obviously I expected too much despite it seemed okay in the other games I Was playing and really I only installed recon for the free weekend to try.


I am still looking at ryzen, I am still trying to find 1155/1150 quad bundles too, but things are a bit too out my reach price wise at the moment, I’m trying to avoid spending money I shouldn’t lol and having issues with my intel, so it’s devaluing even more than it’s probably worth in a build lol. I’m looking to buy a 2nd system because at the moment I’m having a little fun seeing what my sempron can do in games and making videos ha.

 

[Disco_P]

I read it to be a good performer and a good overclocker

It probably was a good performer and overclocker 8 years ago. Games require a lot more CPU power nowadays. There is a reason this hardware has gotten so cheap - it's not good enough anymore. Buy cheap and buy twice.

Grab a 2500K and board as a minimum, clock it above 4Ghz and stop worrying about whether games will run.

 

[ExoMale]

I’m going to have to sort something out if I want to game(my sempron does fine for normal stuff), yesterday I discovered my cpu docket had some bent pins which I reckon was causing issues and I couldn’t fix it, so it’s now scrap ha.

I have a chance to get a branded tower with a haswell socket for £75, but it has a g3250 or one of the Pentium G’s, I know it’s not a gaming chip, but it could get me kick started and can still a 4460 for £50.