Is it right to claim fraud in this situation?

Phonesis

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A friend of mine (and I absolutely must stress it was a friend and not me) is in a complete pickle and keeps asking me for advice on this.

He rather recklessly spent £7000 on his credit card in a very bad way. At a strip club in Poland. The thing is he is completely adamant they took advantage of him and basically robbed him of the money. Even likely spiked him. They essentially took complete control of his wallet. They even knew his pin somehow.

He is now attempting to claim it was fraud with his bank. But he's now worried they will reject his claim and then try to prosecute him for making a fake story up.

Not sure what to suggest to him. On one hand, he was clearly taken advantage of. I know the guy. He would likely have spent about £300 max in a place like that and felt annoyed about it next day. This was something quite different though. Having read up on it a bit, it seems like this goes on a lot in Polish clubs of this sort. His case is that he was spiked and essentially didn't know what was happening.

On other hand, he admits he was in there by choice and was basically quite drunk.

Any thoughts on this would be welcome. I did have to laugh slightly when he first told me but soon realised he was feeling truly down about it.
 
A Polish strip club you say?

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They will only try and prosecute him if they can prove he made the story up.. essentially impossible. Even moreso that this kind of behaviour is known to happen in eastern Europe.

But his bank should have really put a fraud block on his account after that kind of money started going out.. Unless he rang the bank before travels to stop that happening.

Basically you mate is a bit stupid, and he has to live with the consequences.. He shouldn't get prosecuted.
 
Lol, he’s likely a numpty and wasn’t spiked. The vast majority of people who claim they were spiked weren’t and just drank too much.

IIRC there is one scam involving spiking that people on stag dos need to watch out for and that’s strippers/hoookers going back to say a hotel room and spiking a drink so the victim passes out and can be robbed. See the recent news RE; US Rapper Cardi B admitting to have previously done this.

Another scam involving strip clubs is basically outright robbing punters with threats of violence - a clip joint scam, give a round of drinks and of course drinks for the girls that immediately joined the group of naive lads then present a ridiculous bill for the lot and have a load of bouncers appear, make it clear the bill needs to be paid or bad things will happen and then send half the group to cash machines while holding the other half hostage.... note the last part, they don't take credit card transactions for a reason but demand cash.

The fact the club your friend was in did take credit card already tips this in favour of him being a bit of a tool rather than the club being in the business of running scams on tourists.

What is the name of the club? Take a look at trip advisor (best to do this before going to strip clubs overseas!) see what the previous reviews say about the place - is anyone else claiming this scam? OR has an otherwise legit club with a bunch of previously happy punters just randomly decided to "spike" your mate and then accept a credit card transaction that might be reversed.
 
Yeah people spending money in strip clubs and trying to claim it's fraud is so common it's a joke, there's zero chance your mate gets his money back if his pin was used.
 
dowie said:
What is the name of the club? Take a look at trip advisor (best to do this before going to strip clubs overseas!) see what the previous reviews say about the place - is anyone else claiming this scam? OR has an otherwise legit club with a bunch of previously happy punters just randomly decided to "spike" your mate and then accept a credit card transaction that might be reversed.
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A club in Gdansk apparently. Yeah good point about the card usage being a sign they were legit. Only ref I can see to dodgy stuff going down there is comments from ppl in an article here: https://blog.inyourpocket.com/polan...-police-raid-controversial-gdansk-strip-club/
 
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Phonesis said:
Wild orchard in Gdansk apparently. Yeah good point about the card usage being a sign they were legit. Only ref I can see to dodgy stuff going down there is comments from ppl in an article here: https://blog.inyourpocket.com/polan...-police-raid-controversial-gdansk-strip-club/
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Well that changes things! If they've previously tested drinks in the club and found drugs and had multiple reports of overcharging (granted any strip club will have these as plenty of people regret their spending or get busted by their wife/girlfriend) then perhaps your mate should dispute the charges. Is he over there at the moment? Like if this happened last night then he should probably go to the local police and make a report etc...
 
dowie said:
Well that changes things! If they've previously tested drinks in the club and found drugs and had multiple reports of overcharging (granted any strip club will have these as plenty of people regret their spending or get busted by their wife/girlfriend) then perhaps your mate should dispute the charges. Is he over there at the moment? Like if this happened last night then he should probably go to the local police and make a report etc...
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He is home now. He didn't file anything with Polish police either.
 
Who even goes to a strip club?

They're tacky..... I don't care about paid attention.

Your friend is an idiot, also it probably is classed as fraud....so I guess only thing he can do is explain story to bank....

But the fact they had his pin number makes it a hard one to prove you were scammed. They will just turn around and say well how do we know? you willingly gave them your pin number? get lost.


"In recent years various strip clubs have been accused by customers of card fraud but in every case they have been found not guilty by the courts."

From the link above. Tell your mate kiss 7g's goodbye.
 
CREATIVE!11 said:
Who even goes to a strip club?

They're tacky..... I don't care about paid attention.

Your friend is an idiot, also it probably is classed as fraud....so I guess only thing he can do is explain story to bank....

But the fact they had his pin number makes it a hard one to prove you were scammed.
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I agree. Tacky places. I went once, regretted it. Never again.

He is claiming they got it from him once he was spiked. Then just used it without even asking him to buy drinks etc. All filmed too (each private dance is filmed by CCTV). Sounds like a grim set up.

Not sure on whether the bank will buy it. They might just say tough. But it does genuinely seem like he got overcharged to point of daylight robbery.
 
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