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Is it time for Quad Core?

GTA4 may well take advantage of a quad because its a port from consoles with multiple core processors. This is in direct contrast to the previous generation of consoles that were all single core efforts.

Theres really no reason not to have a quad core imo. Intels future roadmap are for quads now as is AMD. Dual were just the first stepping stone and quad will become the bread and butter of PC's.

Yeah I was thinking along the same lines the Xbox 360 chip is tripple core right, and the IBM cell is 8 core? So perhaps GTA IV is designed to take advantage of multiple cores on the PC too. TBH I think there is no need for a Quad core CPU, but of course we're ona Overclocking forum so people will obviously tell you there is a need. Apart from gaming, high-end computing or 3D modelling a a Quad core chip is just willy waving at the moment
 
Jabbs said:
The q6600's run hot ? mine is at 3.3 gig and idles now are 35-39 i would hardly say that's hot, a q6600 has 4 cores a E8400 has 2 what a daft comparison stick 2 E8400's together and you using the same sort of power always makes me laugh the " it uses more juice " of course they will it has 2 more cores, people moan about the watts difference of these cpu's then sit with power hungry graphics cards in there machine :) .
If you want to compare core for core then best trading blows with the Q9550, still runs cooler than the Q6600 i.e. uses less volts to achieve 3.6ghz on air or even 4ghz on air, uses less power consumption also in comparison to the Q6600 but then again costs more.

If your a gamer then your pc benefits from having high end graphics cards, to me it's quite pointless having an Q6600 with a GTX280 thats a waste of energy, I bought my GTX280 when the price was £257 anyway. ;)
 
[TW]Fox;13026702 said:
So why isn't the Q6600 a proper Quad Core?

It's two Core Duo's bolted onto one another.

Plus the fact that Core Duo have a shared cache, so in multithreaded apps the cache is roughly split in half.
 
I had a 2180 @ 3Gig and a Q6600 @ 3Gig. With my 8800GT the 2180 scored in the 11k range while the Q6600 scored in the 13k range so there is a noticable difference in performance. All the other components remained the same.

In 3DMark the extra 2k points can just be attributed to the CPU test, needs a real world game test.
 
In 3DMark the extra 2k points can just be attributed to the CPU test, needs a real world game test.

Obviously... hence the difference between the two CPU's. It's a shame I don't have the 2180 anymore or i'd run some tests for you. The Q6600 was just so much faster in SupCom: Forged Alliance too.

If you want to see the difference between 1,2 & 4Mb cache Core2Duo/Quads then just take a look here http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/processor-cache-size,review-29707-5.html
As you can see, more cache makes a big real world difference in games.
 
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I just bought a Q6600 on the MM, will do a gaming and benchmark comparison against my E2180 at the same speed and see what differences there are. If insignificant i might just sell it on and should make my money back given the price of them just keeps increasing :D


Well I went from an E2180 to a Q6600, and as good as the E2180 was, I wouldn't want to go back to a dual from a quad.
 
I made the mistake of buying gta4 and when i had problems with it went to a forum for it and i was told my system was crap as well (Q9450 @ 3.2, 8 gig ddr2 800, 4870X2) so i think it is something stupid fanboys say if they can't acknowledge a problem with the game. I don't know how it runs on a dual but really can't see it being much worse then on mine so don't buy a quad just for this game as it isn't our systems that are crap it's this game.
 
Well I think that there are two options/opinions for everyone here..

Option One
There is currently nothing on the market (except SupCom) that really needs more than a decent dual core, so for now a decent dual core will do you fine.
They are cheaper and will last you into Q4 2009, so for all the foreseeable releases.



Option two
A quad core offers much more future proofing. If we look at both Intel and AMD's roadmaps then we can see that it is cores, revisions, cores, revisions, cores and I dare say this trend will continue till we hit the 16 mark and that means two cores will not cut the mustard in the future. Although yes the 6600 is not a native quad, it still offers more ability to cope with multicore loads than dual

A key factor to remember before I ramble on though is that the PC is designed to do a lot more than just play games.


The market
What it appears to comes down to, is that it is not just Intel and AMD, but Sony and Microsoft that we need to consider too now (forgetting Nintendo because they have obviously gone mad now).
So if you can please bare with me here then I think you will agree that console games are built for mulitcore games, but the console multicore is not the same multi as a PC multicore! In the development sense they are infact completely different and by looking at current console to PC titles this doesn't appear to transpose very well to the PC market.

It seems 'most' developers are having a lot of trouble working out load for the various cores on consoles and are finding things even harder due to the fact that EVERY platform has a different base at the machinecode level, but consoles it seems is now where the majority of developers begin.


The oh familiar phrase from the doom mongering console fanboys this year has been that the PC games platform is dead and although this definately not true, the cries have been stired from the actions taken at high levels in the games development industry ordering that games companies look to the 'casual gamer' which they see as a way to make the real money. So we are seeing more and more console games developed first whilst we see less PC exclusives being developed for its the PC platform.

Listening to interviews shows us that developers WANT or would prefer to build games on the PC. They are traditional, offer a lot more power and are easier to build games for, but that just isn't an option that most developers are given anymore.

So yes we will see games being developed for PC exclusives (or as exclusive as 'EXCLUSIVE' is these days), but these are really only going to be from flagship developers who can throw a lot into building games on this platform as as such you can bet your ass they will need the latest hardware to run them.

Developers are learning how to transport code from a console to a PC but because consoles hardware only cycles onces every two years, so they can work the market (so to speak) then the PC owners can expect to own hardware that is vastly more powerful than the specifications for its software; with the exception of those flagship titles or those games (like GTA) that are badly ported.


The question
I personally made my decision by purchasing a Q9550 last week, however I would suggest waiting if you currently have a decent dual because there just isn't anything that is being developed that will need it. With a cheap quad you will get some good speeds (more than a quad) out of it, but process speed it seems is not what will matter so much for the close future, it seems that software is going to be more about load management and process revision or at least until whilst developers learn how to handle this curveball that is the console.
 
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If you encode play the games that benefit then quad is for you otherwise a good dual will do you fine for now thats about as simple as it can be put. I have a quad i am a fan of quads but i couldn't in all honesty tell someone spend the extra money to buy a current quad purely for gaming as i would be sliding into fanboy land and as some of you know it's a land i loathe with a passion :).

Gta 4 is not going to be significantly better on a quad then a dual certainly not worth the money to get one hoping it will run better. Reasons to buy gta 4 you like internet forums (you'll be spending some time on those troubleshooting), your tired of your pc working well and providing you with hours of entertainment and your a masochist.
 
going from an e4300 to a wolfdale at 4-4.5ghz is going to be pretty significant too though.

quads...... meh
 
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