Is it time to return to Group B Rally Cars?

Whichever class they make it, my point was having road cars as slightly detuned versions of the rally cars....

Lets say, a Citroen C4 but with 300bhp, sequential gearbox 4wd blah blah...

I reckon they would sell a few of those!

F1 is a different kettle of fish, the costs with F1 are staggering and the cars will never bear any resemblance to the road cars bar the presence of 4 wheels :D

Current WRC cars are as far, if not further, from the road going counterparts as anything back in Group B days. Building a road going WRC car would mean building a £250,000 C4 and expecting people to buy them? It carries the same issues; Its expensive, its not green, and it doesn't reflect the manufacturers line up.

Its not viable from a manufactures point of view (not any that compete in WRC anyhow) to plan to boost their brand by making small number highly expensive massively non green cars. Compounded by the fact that there are only 2 true manufacturers left in WRC.

Its a pipe dead of fans for them to return, but the fact is, Group B is part of history and will stay that way. From an era when there was a loose grasp on the rules and costs and safety. Those days are long gone.

I do agree with other comments about WRC though. Rallys are sterile, stages are repeated and boring and short, and TV coverage is shocking. Plus, WRC cars of nowadays are pretty much as fast as old Group B cars were, and I bed a road going Focus RS is not far off a road going RS200 or 6r4 either.
 
Thing is though, what's wrong with a return to Group A, or a downscaling to production Group N - rather than the barely production S2000.
 
Thing is though, what's wrong with a return to Group A, or a downscaling to production Group N - rather than the barely production S2000.

Isnt Group N still a massively successful rally class of its own? It would be like downscaling F1 cars to GP2 spec, effectively culling the top flight.

WRC needs to keep some preseige above the classes around it. But a drive to cut costs is the main priority.
 
I'd like to see a homologation which:
- Causes the manufacturer to produce enough special road going edditions (2500 works well).
- Allows enough modification from this, that the cars performance are all similar on the stages.
 
Isnt Group N still a massively successful rally class of its own? It would be like downscaling F1 cars to GP2 spec, effectively culling the top flight.

WRC needs to keep some preseige above the classes around it. But a drive to cut costs is the main priority.

Group N is a higher spec than S2000 technically, so your prestige argument is out of the window.
Even S2000 regs would not have been bad if they included homologination, the problem is ... none of the rules do that anymore.
 
Group N is a higher spec than S2000 technically, so your prestige argument is out of the window.
Even S2000 regs would not have been bad if they included homologination, the problem is ... none of the rules do that anymore.

Arent the new WRC rules only based on S2000, not actually S2000? But either way, it would mean killing the top flight and making it the same as a lower step spec.
 
Arent the new WRC rules only based on S2000, not actually S2000? But either way, it would mean killing the top flight and making it the same as a lower step spec.

Group N and S2000 have always been two competing rule sets ... Group N has always been the slightly faster and more expensive classification.

The reason WRC are going to S2000 is because there are more S2000 cars out there from manufacturers, while Group N is currently only Evo and STi.

Ford Fiesta S2000 Technical Specification

Engine:
Ford 1998cc Pipo built I4 Duratec S2000 engine. Four cylinders, 16 valves.
Bore 87mm. Stroke 83mm. Cosworth electronics engine management system. Catalytic converter.

Power:
280 bhp at 8000 rpm.

Torque:
260 Nm at 6500 rpm.

Transmission:
Permanent four-wheel drive. M-Sport / Xtrac six speed sequential gearbox with AP clutch

Suspension:
Front and rear: MacPherson struts with Reiger external reservoir dampers, three-way adjustable. Fully adjustable fabricated steel links. Front and rear anti-roll bars. Machined aluminium uprights.

Brakes:
Gravel (front and rear): 300mm Brembo ventilated discs with Brembo four piston monoblock calipers.
Asphalt (front ): 355mm Brembo ventilated discs with Brembo four-piston monoblock calipers.
Asphalt (rear ): 300mm Brembo ventilated discs with Brembo four-piston monoblock calipers.
Hydraulic handbrake.

Steering:
Power-assisted high-ratio (12:1) rack and pinion. One and a half turns lock to lock.

Wheels:
Gravel: 7in x 15in (aluminium) wheels with 650mm tyres.
Asphalt: 8in x 18in (magnesium) wheels with 650mm tyres.

Bodyshell:
Unitary construction. Unique composite side panels. Welded T45 steel safety roll cage. Aerodynamic rear wing. Unique front 'bumper' treatment.

Electronics:
Full Cosworth electronics data acquisition for on-event diagnostics and performance development.

Fuel tank:
FIA FT3 tank, 80 litre capacity, located centrally.

Dimensions:
Length: 3958mm. Width: 1820mm. Wheelbase: 2489mm.
Weight: 1200kg minimum.

They using NA cars compared to the Turbo Grp N for one.
 
Its the same thing with touring cars. When i used to watch Bathurst in 1988 on, with the RS 500 Cosworths and the Holdens etc they were awsome to watch. They were around 550bhp up to just over 600 with the introduction of the all new skyline. Nowadays limited to around 300 bhp they dont have the wow factor anymore. Time to bring back the grunt
 
Its the same thing with touring cars. When i used to watch Bathurst in 1988 on, with the RS 500 Cosworths and the Holdens etc they were awsome to watch. They were around 550bhp up to just over 600 with the introduction of the all new skyline. Nowadays limited to around 300 bhp they dont have the wow factor anymore. Time to bring back the grunt

The technology behind the racing series keeps on getting scaled back, yes I know the cars are not necessarily going slower, but they are no longer seen as "crazy" machines that they once were
 
Yeah there is no real fun watching a perfectly set up mondeo going round a track, what i want to see is an animal being grabbed by the scruff of the neck and wragged round. It shows the skill of the driver more. Just look up Peter Brock or Dick Johnson
 
Yeah there is no real fun watching a perfectly set up mondeo going round a track, what i want to see is an animal being grabbed by the scruff of the neck and wragged round. It shows the skill of the driver more. Just look up Peter Brock or Dick Johnson

I must say, im tempted to go watch some Time Attack somewhere next year. Lots of jap cars tuned to the nuts being flung around on the ragged edge. :)
 
I must say, im tempted to go watch some Time Attack somewhere next year. Lots of jap cars tuned to the nuts being flung around on the ragged edge. :)

Heh, went to JTS @ Silverstone this year to see the Time Attack.

Must say, the Roger Clark Impreza is mental

They have expanded for 2010, and now have an "open/prototype" section as well - thus allowing kit cars and crazy swaps in.

EDIT: Damn, no Silverstone this year :(
 
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