Is it time to sack Wenger?

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Hi all,

As a disgruntled Arsenal fan today Im thinking 'is it time to sack Wenger?'

I know that he has done a lot for the club and he will always be legendry at Arsenal.

We are having such a rubbish run in to the end of the season that you wonder if he can still motivate our players. We really do need to strengthen our team, but I believe that just one or two players won't cut it, we need more like 5 or 6 players!

Maybe I'm just having a rant at the moment and can't see straight, but what do all the other Arsenal and non-biased non Arsenal fans think?

Edward
 
You're having a rant. Such a poor show at the end today though when he just stormed off down the tunnel without shaking hands. Real lack of class. Needs to buy this summer desperatly. Goalkeeper and centre back required as Dunn and Samba just mugged Campbell and Faianski today.
 
No i dont think he should be sacked...sure theres a mthod to his madness at the moment but im hoping come summer time he will make some much needed signings...surely he can see where our weaknesses are and hopefully he will fix them.

To finish 3rd this season...again fingers crossed is pretty good imo....sure we challenged for the title but a few costly injuries ie RVP, Fabregas and Gallas have cost us a few games...im pretty sure if we didnt have those injuries then we would still be in the thick of the prem title battle but wasnt meant to be.

Anyways tell me if we sack Wenger...then who should replace him in all honesty??...i cant think of anyone other than Mourinho or perhaps Fergie but then they wouldnt have unlimited funds to buy players.

We have done well this season...just our past 5 games or so we have been woefully inadequate.

And i doubt your going to get any non biased Arsenal fans in here...

/me awaits for DM's wall of text:p
 
It's tricky really. I would be a massive gamble, you have to ask yourself whether Arsenal should be winning things and whether Wenger is capable of winning things any more.
 
You're having a rant. Such a poor show at the end today though when he just stormed off down the tunnel without shaking hands. Real lack of class. Needs to buy this summer desperatly. Goalkeeper and centre back required as Dunn and Samba just mugged Campbell and Faianski today.

That i dont agree with ie him storming off...think its pretty pathetic of him to do things like that...i mean Blackburn just simply out-played us and we couldnt cope with it...not Blackburns fault that they out-played us for most of the match.
 
What do you expect when you've spent all your money on a new stadium, Wenger is doing wonders with what he's got. You can sack him but who will replace him knowing they have little money to spend ?

MW
 
I hope he does go, so the deluded Arsenal fans can see hows he's held the club together these last few years. With what he has in comparison he's the best manager in the premiership by a long way.

If he'd been boss of Manu for 15 years with the money they have had in comparison and his better ability in comparison to fergies european ineptness they would have won 5 european cups.

Anytime this subject come up no one can come up with a decent replacement.

Mark Hughes.
Paul Ince
or How about Mclaren.
 
What do you expect when you've spent all your money on a new stadium, Wenger is doing wonders with what he's got. You can sack him but who will replace him knowing they have little money to spend ?

MW

Exactly...it isnt going to be Mourinho as he likes to spend money and with our current squad even i dont think Fergie or Mourinho could win things.

Simply put our squad is lacking in experience ie too young and Wenger needs to address that in the off season...if he doesnt then we arent going to win FA.
 
It'd be one of the worst decisions ever pretty much :p

Remember this season was the one where Arsenal would fall out of the top 4, yet again, after Wenger sold a few players for ridiculous money and brought in unknown replacements. Vermaelen who? He'd never replace Touré - another season qualified for the Champions League with little difficulty, more money, more stability for the club, another set of promising players given more responsibility, an absolutely cashcow stadium built and being paid off ahead of schedule.

Wenger might not be winning things right now, but he has been, and is still building an absolutely rock-solid future for Arsenal and should be left to carry on with that.
 
Chamakh to come in and a goalkeeper, centreback (depending on Gallas, we may need two but Djourou will be back as cover next season) and maybe a backup DM should see us better off. It's difficult to see us challenging Chelsea and Utd next season unless some of our current players really step up a level (not expecting a fit VP for the whole season either) though. Annoying as this season has been in many ways, compared to last season we've been streets ahead and Wenger needs to stay or we'll go into freefall.
 
I must admit to feeling rather annoyed with our lack of real progress over the last few years, but he should have the biggest ever transfer budget to spend over the Summer, so we'll see what he comes up with.
 
That seems rather harsh considering you've secured 3rd place, if you'd had a season like Liverpool then I could understand the criticism.
 
http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2010/04/how-big-is-arsenals-transfer-budget.html

Posted in another thread I think. I would give him another season before promoting him to director of football or chief executive or something. We have a big summer ahead of us, hopefully a new GK, two CB, DM and a FW.

Yes I posted it in the other thread about an hour or two ago. :p


Knee jerk reaction this thread isn't it? Just look at the posts in this thread and you'll see that Wenger even though he's slipped up a few teams this season has on the whole done a decent job especially with the finances and now this summer after several seasons of saving and selling we are finally able to put together a little bit of a war chest. Wenger has his targets he says and I trust him, I've trusted him the whole time he's been at Arsenal and I did say in the other thread I'm going to give him next season and then start asking the questions if we don't get the results we deserve, we should at least be making the semi finals of the Champions League and it should be us that's competing for the league along with Utd and Cheslea.

We've got a great history and Wenger has given us some of the best moments in the clubs history and yes, we've had a barren 5 years but the end product has not always shown the full story of our seasons, we came very very close 2 or 3 years ago to winning the league and again this season we've been right amongst Chelsea and Man Utd when at the beginning of the season nobody gave us a chance before the first ball was even kicked, then of course we put 6 goals past Everton and people started paying attention.

We've had a long and hard season racked with injuries and while the other clubs have had injuries, especially Utd, they all have much better class and quality in depth than we do and that's where Wenger needs to strengthen the squad. We've got too many players who are all identical in style to each other and when the game plan isn't working they don't know how else to play. I think that's why Bendtner has been such a revelation this season, he hit that really good form and started banging some goals in for us and I think that's because he gives us a different dimension with his physical presence. For a long time we've been a very physically soft team and we still haven't gotten over losing all of our stars in a short space of time, players such as Bergkamp, Henry, Vieira, Pires, Ljungberg and then of course the Keown's and the Dixon's that we've missed. We've sold so many great players and haven't replaced them with players of identical talent.

At the moment we've obviously got some real world class players in Andrei, Robin, Cesc, Samir, Thomas Vermaelen, Clichy when he feels like it, Sagna is very solid and Song is coming along well too, that's a great, and more importantly young backbone to the team. For my money those are the absolute standout players and we need to keep all of them and give them all as much game time as possible, what Wenger needs to do now is surround our current stars with ready made players and if he has to spend over the odds then so be it.

One thing I will say in Wengers defence is that we could go for the league cup or the FA cup and probably win it if that was our main focus, but unlike some of the mid table clubs or even Portsmouth in the cup final for instance, they only have two focuses, staying in the Prem and if they get a good cup run that will please them, we've been fighting on many different fronts all year and with players that maybe aren't very physical like ours aren't then it's always going to be tough.

Wenger is great with finances and he's great at finding youth but come on, we've waited a very, very long time for a trophy and next year should be our year to at least win something. Don't be so frugal Arsene and buy us some world class talent.
 
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Read 4-4-2 this month, you have the players you have at Arsenal because Wenger does nothing but bury his head in Prozone stats. ;)

According to Prozone Fabianski is the best goal keeper in the entire world..................
 
Simple answer is no, for among other reasons who could we get that'd achieve what he has with the same budget.

Wenger's never going to say we're not really challenging for the EPL or the Euro Cup. But looking at it logically, it's not always possible to see that we can or seem to do so over an entire campaign. Yes, during the season we may well be up there, but looking at the current one, 3rd isn't a harsh reflection and I'd have taken it at the beginning. Without the budgets of UTD and Chelsea, (and now Man City) his main priority is to get as much cash as possible. By, in the 'current' season going as far as possible in the Champion's League, and qualifying for next year's competition. The latter point is particularly important, and he's managed to repeat this every year he's been here.

Yes, we've been close to actually getting trophies, and its' ****ing annoying that in just 13 years or so we've come 2nd in every competition possible. It's very much more annoying that we've seemingly thrown away 4 league titles by faltering at the finishing line (I don't really count this season due to the reasons above). It's a strange trait that Wenger's sides have had. He should really instill the idea of when to peak. We have a history of doing this at the beginning, and then faltering at the end; UTD in particular have almost always done the opposite and their trophy cabinet is there for show. I'm not sure what's worse, scraping upwards, or falling into a place after having been in a promising position above.

I think this year, he's got to make pretty big changes, hopefully before the WC starts. I always look at Diaby, Denilson, Vela and Song in the same way. 4 players who've come through and Wenger's really stuck by them. But all is clear that out of 4, only 1 is remotely good enough. He has to be ruthless and get rid of the 3 that can't be relied upon, firstly to then allow or force himself to improve the squad, by which time he can ear mark wages for new players. He has a good history of balancing between being quick to act and being faithful but seemingly has leaned (more than likely due to financial constraints) towards the latter. The keeper situation in that respect is one where he's got to try and move quickly (buy somebody, sell Almunia and/or Fabianski).Years ago it took 2 mistakes by Lehmann before his Arsenal career was essentially over. I'm not sure just how many more our current 2 will be permitted to make; a good keeper affects the entire team and it's an obvious and detrimental weakspot to have.

I've already mentioned this, but he's got to find out just how it is our players get injured so frequently and are out for so long. Yes, teams do openly get over physical with us and that's **** when this behaviour is celebrated and lauded, but our players are constantly 'returning from injury' at which point they're then injured again. Arshavin's stated it isn't easy to get treated at the club while RvP went back to Holland. I think it's this that could be the key to it all. This combined with the fact that some in our team are young isn't good for neither their development nor the side progressing. It's also puzzling that we supposedly have some of the newest and best facilities on the land.

He's also got to strengthen the squad as well. Years ago a 'crisis' might unfold and we'd have to bring on Ray Parlour. Or Edu. Two examples who could do the job in not just their favoured, but in another position too. You got a real sense of the strength and quality of the squad when they used to pull it off. There are some at the club now who can't even play well in their favoured position, or there are too many others who, again, are "still young".

He's got to keep Sol Campbell. He'd be invaluable for the dressing room and in training like Giggs, Scholes or Neville are for UTD. It's the difference in budgets that Arsenal really have had to cash our equivelants in, i.e. Vieira, Henry etc. That's a good step forward Wenger's taken this year. I've just realised that we're now on 9 defeats for the season which is 50% more than last year.
 
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