Is it time to upgrade or is my pc still very decent

[2013]

My PC
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5800x
Cooler: Noctua U12S
Motherboard: ROG CROSSHAIR VI HERO (WI-FI AC)
Ram: 16GB Team Group dark DDR4 3200
GPU: Only a Titan X but I don't get to play games as much and i've not had a issue play games so far, but will upgrade at some point when i find something worth upgrading to that come along at the right price.
Case: Evol X will only only change if I can find another case that's is as solid as this.
SSD: 1tb Samsung 980, I will upgrade at some point to something with more storage but its not been urgent so just saved the money .
HDD: I have 3 large storage drive.

I do a bit everything on the PC, basic graphic and photo editing, video editing and converting, gaming, media centre, office pc and and all the normal use. Sometime I do find things slower, but still better than anything else I use

 

[2013]

I would upgrade the graphics card and the ram

According to TPU's GPU database, the Titan X is equivalent to a 1660 Super, so you have a lot of upgrade headroom there without spending that much. The only snag is getting a memory upgrade with nvidia from the 12GB Titan X would cost an outrageous amount that you don't need.

upgrade from 16gb to 32gb ? would i see a difference ? i'm not sure how often I hit the limit so I never considered Ram upgrade.

I have a 1080p monitor at the moment is it still worth upgrading the GPU, also what should I get ? I'm thinking a 50% - 100% boost upgrade would be good upgrade deepening on the price.

anything else I should consider ?

 

[2013]

What you have is not bad, but there's definitely more to come in modern games than a card of that level can give you.

TPU's GPU database says the 4070 non-Super is 172% faster.

Far more worthwhile at 1440p though, no doubt.

So far ive not had any issue playing any modern games, but things could change, I was thinking of a monitor upgrade before the GPU upgrade, maybe a better option, what do you think ?
and I'm assuming a worthy upgrade would be a few hundred at the moment.

also what do you think of the ram ?

 

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So upgrade the GPU before upgrading the monitor and Ram 16GB ram is ok ?
So For PC spec there is not reason to upgrade to Zen 5 or DDR5 ?

Ill keep a Eye out for GPU and Ram ( would want a matching pair )

 

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You are right I don't really need to upgrade, I just have a habit of considering upgrades every year or 2.
also gaming is not my main use recently so I'm not sure how much I would benefit from the upgrade.

 

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what is the best software to monitor or should i just use windows task manager ?

checking my motherboard https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-vi-hero-wi-fi-ac-model/helpdesk_cpu/ it does support all AM4 CPUs but I'm not sure which ones would be a significant improvement.
Ill need to check since i last check when the 5800x was release.

 

[2013]

I would upgrade RAM to 32GB as its a cheap and easy option, its not going to be an "OMG that's fast" upgrade, but it will improve general usage. Windows caches everything as you use the PC so if you bounce around opening, closing, re-open stuff it dose it faster as its more likely to be still in-memory.

I do that a lot so ill keep an eye out for ram.

 

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Task manager should be able to tell you everything, you can check what cores are being loaded and the RAM & SSD usage.


If your bottleneck is single-thread there's pretty much zero point upgrading for productivity, but let us know.

I have no idea how to check if its a multi thread or single thread bottlenec.

 

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Thank, ill keep an I out for a monitor, GPU and Ram upgrades, I may get lucky and find some at a good price. since Im not in a rush I can wait and look and in the mean time monitor the system for bottlenecks.


I have no idea of the GPU and monitor (27 - 32 inch ) pricing recently, would anyone be able to offer some guidance.

 

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Graphics: (regular price, deal price, relative performance difference to your Titan, from TPU, target resolution)
- 4060: £270, < £250, +76%, 1080p
- 6750 XT: £300, < £300, +109%, entry-1440p
- 7700 XT (or 6800 non-XT): £350, £300, +141%, 1440p
- 4070: £470, < £450, +172%, 1440p
- 7800 XT: £420, < £400, +193%, 1440p
- 4070 Super: £550, < £500, +216%, 1440p or entry-4K
- 7900 GRE: £550, < £500, +222%, 1440p or entry-4K

Monitors: not my thing.


You can use hwinfo's sensor tab to see the actual clocks for your CPU's individual cores too, by the way, was just trying to avoid downloading extra software.

Thanks for taking the time to help me out.

I would be looking at the 300 and below mark, what are the best options ?

what about the
RX 6650 XT 73%
RX 7600 75%
RTX 2080 77% / Super 86% or is this too old and not worth considering ?
Radeon RX 7600 XT 81%
GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 91%
Radeon RX 6700 XT 97%
GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 91%
GeForce RTX 3070 123%
GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 139%
Radeon RX 6800 XT 179%
GeForce RTX 3080 190%

 

[2013]

Do any of your apps need or greatly benefit from nvidia?

Not as far as I know, I'm using a old NVidia at the moment which i doubt they could benefit from, and I was using a AMD before. I switch back and forth depending on the best value.

 

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@2013 what chipset is your motherboard? If it is a 370, it only does pcie 3 and would I have a look into whether it will be a problem wit the new pcie 4 x8 budget cards. Ie the 6650, 4060 and the 7600.

Yes a 370x this is the board i have https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-vi-hero-wi-fi-ac-model/helpdesk_cpu/
Would I have an issue with newer GPUs ?

6750xt for £290 is a good deal for the performance..

is that the retail or used price ?

 

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So long as the card has at least 8 lanes, then I wouldn't change a buying decision based on it:

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There is a trend for the budget cards to have 128bit bus and run at x8 over pcie 4. By running in pcie you only have 1/2 the bandwidth. There is a variable loss in performance which is game dependent. I was put off as I have b450 and went last gen so it wouldn't be a problem.

Frustratingly the b550 and above do pcie 4. All the other chipsets 'can' do it but is was locked out by AMD.

Sorry for the delay in replying, i've been working long hours till late for the past week.

I'm still a little confused, how do I check which Graphic cards my board will support ?
Im think something around the 7600 6700 6750xt which would give me a good jump in GPU performance without spending too much. would i be bottle necked by the board.

Would I benefit from upgrading to 32gb 3600 Ram ?

at which point should I consider switch to the newer AM5 Platform ? not much upgradeability left with my AM4 considering I have a 5800x ? Im thinking 1-2 years may be the best
I would want to upgrade before the AM4still has value to sell so I can use the fund to upgrade.

I'm considering the life span of the the sockets, AM4 release 2017 and AM5 released 2022 so about 5 years.

 

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If you search deals you can find 7700xt for around £300, which is decent, but I think it's worth spending a bit extra to get the 7800xt

thanks let see what I comes my way.

as for the ram The furthest I was able to push the RAM usage to was 15.6gb. that's running a game Hogwarts legacy, CorelDRAW, YouTube video download and convert, running browser with multiple tabs inc a few YouTube, plus IE, software updater and playing a movie.

any other way to push ram usage to the limit, Should try something else ? do i need more ram ?

 

[2013]

Thank you very much.

It is a modern motherboard so you shouldn't have any trouble with anything you might buy, but ideally get a card with 16 lanes, which will minimise any performance loss from PCI-E 3.0.

Thanks, that clear up things a bit for me.

The only cards that suffer a lot are the 6400 and 6500 XT, because they have just 4 lanes. 8 lane cards do lose some performance, but for the most: not much (a few %).

I dont think its worth switching to something like the 6400 or 6500xt, so it unlikely I would get something like them for this PC.

The 6700 XT / 6750 XT is a good card for the price (around £300), though the 7700 XT at the deal price of around the same would make me happier because it is a bump in performance and has the AI cores that RDNA 2 lacks (AMD have been making noises about using AI in future tech like FSR, so RDNA 2 might be the cut-off point for driver support in the near future). Note that RDNA 3 has AV1 encoding too, if you use AV1 at all (RDNA 2 is decode only).

The RX 7600 8GB isn't something I'd want to buy anymore, since the 6750 XT (or 7700 XT) gives you more headroom with the 4GB extra VRAM and higher performance.

Considering I dont play that many games and the Titan X works fine for now, I dont really want to spend £100s on a GPU at this point in time. but it give me something to work toward.

If that's typical of something you will do in reality then yes, you need more RAM, because you'll be pushing it out to the page file.

That is not typical what I would do in reality, that's just a extreme case to push my system to its limits in the test.

In reality the most I have ever done and would possibly do is keep the browser running with multiple tabs in YouTube or video, in the background, when playing a game. at a push I would have left a movie open in player, have word and photoshop open in the background. I have done this test as well and the most I could push the usage to is 12gb.

Would I need more ram or should I just wait till I start to hit the limit more often ?

 

[2013]

Thank you very much.

It is a modern motherboard so you shouldn't have any trouble with anything you might buy, but ideally get a card with 16 lanes, which will minimise any performance loss from PCI-E 3.0.

Thanks, that clear up things a bit for me.

The only cards that suffer a lot are the 6400 and 6500 XT, because they have just 4 lanes. 8 lane cards do lose some performance, but for the most: not much (a few %).

I dont think its worth switching to something like the 6400 or 6500xt, so it unlikely I would get something like them for this PC.

The 6700 XT / 6750 XT is a good card for the price (around £300), though the 7700 XT at the deal price of around the same would make me happier because it is a bump in performance and has the AI cores that RDNA 2 lacks (AMD have been making noises about using AI in future tech like FSR, so RDNA 2 might be the cut-off point for driver support in the near future). Note that RDNA 3 has AV1 encoding too, if you use AV1 at all (RDNA 2 is decode only).

The RX 7600 8GB isn't something I'd want to buy anymore, since the 6750 XT (or 7700 XT) gives you more headroom with the 4GB extra VRAM and higher performance.

I will keep an eye out for 6750 XT or 7700 XT. which will give my something to upgrade to and something to work toward to balance out my pc.

If that's typical of something you will do in reality then yes, you need more RAM, because you'll be pushing it out to the page file.

That is not typical what I would do in reality, that's just a extreme case to push my system to its limits in the test.

In reality the most I have ever done and would possibly do is keep the browser running with multiple tabs in YouTube or video, in the background, when playing a game. at a push I would have left a movie open in player, have word and photoshop open in the background. I have done this test as well and the most I could push the usage to is 12gb.

Would I need more ram or should I just wait till I start to hit the limit more often ? also what do you mean "because you'll be pushing it out to the page file."

The 5700X3D is competitive even with very recent CPUs, so AM4 is definitely not dead yet:

Is the 5800x not as good or better than the 5700X3D or similar to the 5800X3D

 

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Maybe with black Friday around the corner a lot more people will upgrade, making the older hardware available.

Should i still just upgrade to 32gb, its not as expensive as it use to be but if I don't I have more money towards the GPU. any thoughts ?

 

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The x3d chips are better for gaming than the non x3d CPUs and have lower clock speeds which makes them slower in regular and multitasking workloads.

Th is is the part that confused me, based on this link https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5700X3D/4085vsm2280831

the 5800x seam to be better or similar. also I assume a 5800X3D would be harder to get.
How much of a boost could I get with a 5700X3D ?
Would I see any improvements outside gaming ?

 

[2013]

If your actual PC isn’t lagging for your use, I would suggest other areas where you’ll benefit from an upgrade, if you really want to improve the overall experience. Monitor: plenty of fast, good quality 1440p monitors pretty cheap now. 4K not limited to 60Hz as it was the case few years back, when anything faster would cost a leg and an arm.
Speakers: unless you already have some decent speakers, it can be a great upgrade. Same for headphones.
Just keep in mind that a monitor upgrade now, even if the actual GPU won’t make full use of it, but when you really need a hardware upgrade, the monitor will be there, waiting for it.
Hardware wise, GPU only if your favourite game/games start to struggle. If CPU starts to struggle, a 5800x3D can give your an extra boost, but apart from gaming, no reason to “upgrade” the CPU.
faster RAM, 3200 low latency is plenty. A lot of good 3200 RAM can run at 3600, just need some loose timings sometimes.
More RAM, for productivity, yes, may help. For games, not all the time.

Thanks.
I've not really struggling yet, I may not be able to play games I like at the ultra setting, but on high they still work well so far..
Same for the RAM and CPU i've not had any major issues or struggled with anything, at least not that I noticed, unless I push everything to the limit, most apps work fine.
I just have a habit like a lot of other people on here, just thinking about upgrades.

A monitor is on my upgrade list, I have a 1080p monitor at the moment and a Titan X GPU so I would not benefit from one unless I upgrade the GPU other than the size, but it give me the room to upgrade.
the same can be said for a GPU, but on the GPU side I could push the games further.

So its a question of monitor or GPU upgrade first.
also any monitor recommendations 27"-32"

Speakers would be a good idea, I keep forgetting to get a new set after my last set stopped working ( got a pair average headphones)

I've been think about this but instead of upgrading the CPU in the future. would it not be better to upgrade platforms ? I mean I would still be still be paying a good amount for a minor upgrade with no head room, unless some huge bargain comes along.

 

[2013]

It sounds like you're not normally pushing it, so I guess the questions I'd ask are: 1. what is £50 worth to you? (if you buy a 32GB kit) and 2. are you going to get an itch soon and upgrade to AM5? If the answer is "a lot" and/or "maybe", then the response I'd give is don't bother.

1. I would say £50 is not a great amount but it would need to make a difference ? at the moment I'm not sure I'm hitting the limits or I would see any difference, should I watch the task manager a little longer.

Im still on the side lines on this upgrade, "from what I remember it was better to get DDR4-3200 at a low latency, but recently I can only find 32gb at 3200 CL16 or 3600 CL18 or higher
I have have rarely hit the 16GB. " to which you said switching The difference between those speeds is irrelevant to you IF you're actually using the memory. Question would latency matter as much if I upgrade to 32gb, you also said "16x2 is safer/easier to run than 8x4, but you do ideally want dual rank sticks (which Samsung b-die would have been, in 16GB capacity)" like i said I have no clue on RAM and kind of get lost in what you say sometimes, any pointers ?

The more confused i get the the more I keep going back and forth changing my mind if I should upgrade the ram or not, would I loose out switch from the ram i have to something a little poorer.

2. No, I don't think so, I would wait for the prices to come down a little, the 5800x has been the best PC i've had IMO, no noticeable issues, no freezing, lagging in non gaming use or anything like that, I have gone wild with multi tasking but nothing. In the past I would have all the issues, I would have issues with loading some apps (what was expected in the past.

Makes sense, considering the Titan is nearly 10 years old it actually holds up pretty well (..or progress has been pretty stagnant). That's why I'd push you toward a higher-end card too (rather than e.g. a 7600), just to 1. make it a decent upgrade and 2. get something with some headroom for the future.

Good point, im still looking towards a 6750XT, GeForce RTX 4060 Ti, a 7700XT or something around that. what will give me the best value upgrade but staying on the lower price range.
are there any graphics card to be release anytime soon ?