Is piracy dying?

Moses said:
Yes, but then I added to what I said. Expanded on my point. Engage with my point in the round, rather than thinking you're clever by focussing on one part in isolation.
Click to expand...

No, you changed what you said to mean something else. The point is about the rights holder's wishes and how they should be able to stipulate how you buy and use their product.
 
Moses said:
I said, as you quoted,



That doesn't necessarily mean that others can't read it, does it? Alternatively, move on from that, and engage with the revised position...
Click to expand...

What do you expect? You've said nothing else of worth.

Your example was poor and now you've backed tracked on it.

Again though, it's irrelevant. As I said, rights holders don't want people lending games to their friends, or buying/selling their games on the second hand market.

You put stock in their wishes, are you going to put stock in those wishes too?
 
IMO I think piracy is on the decline at least for PC games as more and more games are now broken upon release and you need to wait for patches for the games to work. However, most of the time when you download a game you get the initial release which may be broken as all hell with no way to get those vital updates. Also DLC. Also steam sales. Also a lot of the popular games nowadays are online mostly.
 
Moses said:
No, it was a perfectly reasonable example. It's not sending them a copy of the ebook, it's letting them read it on your Kindle. Like if a friend came round and played on your Playstation. There's only ever copies in existence which have been paid for. Where does it say on eg. Amazon that other people aren't allowed to read the copy of a book someone buys access to from there?

I don't really see there being much to discuss, given you think it's fine to completely ignore the wishes of the rights holders, and instead take what you want from the bargain but not do what they want as part of it. You also think it's fine to download stuff from Torrent sites/usenet/whatever because you can claim no one's losing out because you wouldn't have paid for it anyway (lol), right? With you it's not about making the distribution better, with the same release dates everywhere, all at a reasonable price, etc... because you still think it's okay to pay nothing.
Click to expand...

So you're sperging about the wishes of rights holders but ignoring some of the wishes they have that don't align with the above?

Some rights holders don't want you to lend games to mates or to buy or sell your games second hand. Some games have printed "no unauthorised lending" printed on the disk.

Yet you've just explained why that's okay. Where've I said it's fine to download stuff from usenet or torrent sites? In fact, when did I even mention either? Is real life? Because you're just spering about stuff you've made up.

I buy all my games. :confused:
 
spoffle said:
Why don't you sod off and look up the definition of a discussion forum?
Click to expand...

You do like a 'full and frank' discussion don't you? :) ;)

On the topic at hand - no I don't agree morally with copyright infringement. However, I can't help but feel current legislation is being dogmatically stuck to because the studio execs want the distribution model to remain exactly as it is now.
 
Moses said:
Then I expanded on that brief post, or changed it if you struggle to move on and are fixated on that. So now we're onto something else... where eg. Origin don't intend you to buy from Mexico, whereas Amazon don't say anything about a friend reading a book you buy on your Kindle...
Click to expand...

Yes, but I'm talking about games that have "no unauthorised lending" written on it. Are you going to pretend you'd comply?

What about developers who are openly against second hand games? Are you going to let that be the determining factor in whether you choose to buy or sell second hand games?
 
Moses said:
I honestly can't remember the last time I borrowed a game, or lent one to someone else. It's almost certainly not happened for at least fifteen years. It might have happened back in primary school when I had a SNES and N64... but even then I don't think it happened. So yeah... I never have, that I can recall.

I buy digital versions of PC games where you can't transfer them (that I know of). For Playstation I've bought I think three games ever (possibly four)... new each time.
Click to expand...

Reread what I said, I'm saying the fact that they say no lending isn't going to stop you should you be inclined just because it's what they want, would it?
 
Moses said:
Well, you said 'you', which I reasonably assumed was referring to me... so I responded to it as such :confused:. It's not my fault you weren't clear!
Click to expand...

I thought you were being funny over the use of "you" versus "one".

Yes, I was referring to you, but my example would be posed to anyone, as I simply cannot see anyone ever taking any notice of that.
 
I can tell you as an absolute certainty it is not dying out. Netflix is great and all (without the whole Netflix and chill thing even!) but there's only so much content on there, and it's not updated with weekly releases and whatnot.
 
Nope it's not dying.

There's probably less copies floating around and older things either have very little seeds or no seeds at all. Not a big deal though.
I still always download games before I pay to have a "license" to play a game and to demo the game. I will not under any circumstances play a game without trying it first, I'm not getting tricked by publishers into buying a crap, unpolished game. Reviews help but testing yourself is always better. Will buy the ones I like after an hour or so if its cheap enough, if its not cheap enough will wait for the steam sales, or will delete the garbage (most games end up deleted)

Movies:
I do buy movies that I like and have re-watchablity, but allot of movies these days are 1 watch only. It's the same thing as it is with games, I'm not buying a movie I have not seen first, I'm not paying what blu rays cost atm for something I might not even enjoy. I'm not being tricked like that, specially with most the junk that is coming out these days.
I'm quite happy watching movies more than once, there's many I have stored that I have watched many many times.
Also yes I go to the cinema sometimes and pay the stupid ticket prices just for the experience, If I like what I see, I will buy on blu-ray when It comes out.

Movies are still too expensive in my opinion though £10-15 for a 1.5hour movie? cmon, stop being silly, that's far too expensive. Rarely do I buy a movie if its above £5, only the ones I really enjoy and need a copy of my collection.
 
Last edited:
TV Series' are what cause problems for me. The only places that show them takes months to update episodes. If they were readily available in one place for a decent price then i'd happily pay.
 
thebennyboy said:
Not pirated a single piece of music since signing up to Google Play Music. £7.99 for all you can eat music, and soon to be Youtube Red included.
Click to expand...

Id never pay for a music service. Simply because I could jump on to YouTube right now and listen to whatever I want..... For free.
 
I've not downloaded anything for the last few years now that I subscribe to Netflix and Amazon Prime.

I've never been stuck for something to watch since I've had them. If there are no movies that float my boat I'll just start a new box set or such like. Its much less hassle than downloading.

Theres probably some truth in saying when I was younger I couldn't afford it but now I actually think streaming services are affordable and reasonably good value.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom