Is piracy dying?

G-MAN2004 said:
It's not even worth torrenting, never mind paying for. :p
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Strangely enough Fear the Walking Dead at the season break very quickly appeared on legit sites in the UK - not sure that would have happened if it hadn't turned into a disaster (not the good type for the genre).
 
Rroff said:
Music piracy is pretty much a thing of the past for everyone I know IRL but until they stop having such a time delay on movies and tv shows making it to other regions and on a wider selection of platforms that isn't going away any time soon.
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Yeah thats frustrating that Netflix in the US get content way before us in the UK..why it cant be the same for all god knows,after all were still paying for it so its not as if were asking for something for free.
 
It's not dying but the industries have ways to extract cash from the same group of people through convenience. Amazon Prime, Netflix etc

We're fast approaching a happy compromise. As soon as distribution rights are fully ironed out globally, removing time delays and making it accessible to all.....expect the numbers to dwindle further.
 
Video game piracy is lower, because the new Denuvo software seems to be very strong. I used to try games before I would buy them when you were unable to get refunds back in the day.

You get a few hours with all steam games now at least.
 
SonniLombardi said:
Of course it isn't dying, torrents aren't the only thing out there for you to obtain pirated material, this is for the most who do not know where else to get it from. **** is huge, then you got private release groups who actually crack and spread the material via FXP groups, private FTP servers hosted around the world either by botnets or the like, that are not accessible by the average joe, need I go on?

Piracy will never die.
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The stuff you are talking about is how all the releases trickle down to the more public facing torrent sites etc, I don't think he's denying that stuff still happens? The content is still there he is saying there are less people consuming/sharing it

I can't say I've noticed much of a difference with availability of anything but I can see where any shifts in behaviour might come from with all the legit streaming services etc that are available nowadays plus look how well the likes of Sky/Virgin have integrated catchup TV and made TV shows available for watching on demand etc rather than just the traditional watch live or remember to record type usage of the past
 
Closing said:
Piracy dying you say?

My 16TB NAS running Sonarr, Couchpotato & Headphones begs to differ...

The amount of money charged for digital media is laughable, until the industry get's real piracy is going to go from strength to strength.

Spotify a tenner, Netflix a fiver, Sky and Virgin charging god knows what and you still have adverts and a clunky interface - most of it is crap quality too.

Yeah, right. Welcome to the 21st century.
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what the hell? You think £10 for spotify a month is unreasonable? Netflix 7.49 is unreasonable? You are crazy.
 
Denuvo will be cracked sooner or later, even the guys that made it said its crackable, just time consuming to do so. Arxan has been defeated and that is similar to Denuvo.

AACS 2.0 is not cracked yet, but if there is a enough demand for UHD blu ray's to be ripped that will likely be defeated at some point also.

Its nothing new, strong protections have been around for ages. Starforce, Securom, Tages etc its just a cat and mouse game.
 
They need a bit more content on Netflix really (or atleast more like the US side) for £7+ mind - I don't mind paying £7-8/m for it but for what is there the £4.99 I was paying up until this month felt more like a fair price.

£10/m for spotify is insanely low for what you get really but it is at a position that a lot of people can afford and low enough to disincentive most people from piracy other than freeloaders.

Moses said:
My favourite excuse is how it's reasonable to infringe the copyright of games because they cost eg. £40 and buying it blind is unreasonable... ignoring the fact that there are often decent demos, there are always comprehensive reviews from a huge range of people (so you can find honest reviewers you trust easily), there are always countless hours of gameplay videos/analysis/etc on Youtube... there's clearly enough information available to assess a game to a reasonable level of certainty before buying it... but no, they have to get it for free... but, of course, if they like it they'll then buy a copy ;). That's believable, right?
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No matter the reviews there are some things like how well the controls work, mouse feel, etc. that you can only really test for yourself and lately publishers seem less and less inclined to put out decent demos - flipside though being able to "test drive" games with Origin and Steam, etc. refund policies has become easier - though they don't like it if you use that too much.
 
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Netflix I find quite a bit of a waste of money for myself, it only redeems itself occasionally when I watch something I wouldn't normally ; Flaked, ****oo etc.

And at the moment, the 100 doesn't have a season 3 Blu-ray release announcement at all.

So, I can readily buy season 1 Blu-ray, buy a blu-ray MOD of Season 2, but then go back to DVD for season 3? Erm no.
 
Netflix is **** poor, two of the shows I watch weren't even on it but are available in U.S I believe.

so I think the whole movies/shows streaming needs some work in terms of content availability, even then it's easy to stream the content elsewhere for free.

As for video games or PC games to be specific they are so cheap nowadays, it's not hard to wait till the price drops then pick up a bargain of a legitimate version.
 
We pay £21 a month for

Netflix
Amazon Prime
Now TV (Movies, Entertainment, Sports)

I also get Spotify Premium via my Vodafone plan

That is well worth it to me and I'm happy to pay for it

I'll still use KAT for the content not available to me, but that isn't because I'm unwilling to pay for it, it's because I can't legally access it
 
Rroff said:
Partly helped I think by the fact that some of the best guys are out of the game at the moment - there was one guy that found a lot of flaws in games and published details to be patched and destroyed most game DRM in under 24 hours who has disappeared off the internet at some point in the last 2-3 years.
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Steam DRM and the like is trivial to bypass. It literally take minutes. Since Denuvo arrived and expanded it's presence, these scene groups have seemingly dropped of the radar. Only a few groups I have seen are publicly updating their progress.


slick rick said:
Denuvo will be cracked sooner or later, even the guys that made it said its crackable, just time consuming to do so. Arxan has been defeated and that is similar to Denuvo.

Its nothing new, strong protections have been around for ages. Starforce, Securom, Tages etc its just a cat and mouse game.
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It's already been cracked. DA:Inquisition and others. But that's not the problem. Denuvo is not the new copy-protection where once it's bypassed it's done with and you can apply the same tecnique to all games that use it. Denuvo just analyze whatever loophole was used in the first place, rectify it, and release a new revision making the next effort even harder.

Presently there's a whole laundry list of game that are uncracked with little to no progress being made.

I'm not on board with the general consensus that 'it'll be cracked eventually'. The whole design is extremely clever generating a unique key between the game and the machine your installing it on, or something. Whatever it is, props to Denuvo for coming up with this anti-tamper design.
 
Smokey Deza said:
Steam DRM and the like is trivial to bypass. It literally take minutes. Since Denuvo arrived and expanded it's presence, these scene groups have seemingly dropped of the radar. Only a few groups I have seen are publicly updating their progress.




It's already been cracked. DA:Inquisition and others. But that's not the problem. Denuvo is not the new copy-protection where once it's bypassed it's done with and you can apply the same tecnique to all games that use it. Denuvo just analyze whatever loophole was used in the first place, rectify it, and release a new revision making the next effort even harder.

Presently there's a whole laundry list of game that are uncracked with little to no progress being made.

I'm not on board with the general consensus that 'it'll be cracked eventually'. The whole design is extremely clever generating a unique key between the game and the machine your installing it on, or something. Whatever it is, props to Denuvo for coming up with this anti-tamper design.
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Someone on the inside could ultimately release the details.
 
MatsyLR said:
Yes that is expensive.
I would never pay that for those services, far too expensive for the quality/amount of shows.
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Even people on minimum wage wouldn't find that expensive, do you think shows are free to produce?

Sheesh
 
Smokey Deza said:
Steam DRM and the like is trivial to bypass. It literally take minutes. Since Denuvo arrived and expanded it's presence, these scene groups have seemingly dropped of the radar. Only a few groups I have seen are publicly updating their progress.




It's already been cracked. DA:Inquisition and others. But that's not the problem. Denuvo is not the new copy-protection where once it's bypassed it's done with and you can apply the same tecnique to all games that use it. Denuvo just analyze whatever loophole was used in the first place, rectify it, and release a new revision making the next effort even harder.

Presently there's a whole laundry list of game that are uncracked with little to no progress being made.

I'm not on board with the general consensus that 'it'll be cracked eventually'. The whole design is extremely clever generating a unique key between the game and the machine your installing it on, or something. Whatever it is, props to Denuvo for coming up with this anti-tamper design.
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DA:I was made to work with an exploit found in Origin AFAIK and was not a proper crack. Later titles were cracked because of a dispatch-table exploit which no longer exists. Denuvo uses a variant of VMprotect with code obfuscation and anti debugging schemes. It will be circumvented at some point IMHO.
 
slick rick said:
DA:I was made to work with an exploit found in Origin AFAIK and was not a proper crack. Later titles were cracked because of a dispatch-table exploit which no longer exists. Denuvo uses a variant of VMprotect with code obfuscation and anti debugging schemes. It will be circumvented at some point IMHO.
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Interesting. Heard those terms banded around but don't really know what they mean, other than code obfuscation.

But that's my point. Can't they just keep bolstering the security around the vunerable areas until they have a security that is infallible? Some say that with advances in cryptography, within the next few years gaming piracy may be a thing of the past.
 
Not without fully locked down hardware - at some point the code has to execute actual instructions that do something and can be logged and eventually reverse engineered just takes a lot more skill and actual engineers not just script kiddies who happen to have some basic programming experience and a memory hook/debugging engine.

A lot of current DRM work arounds though in truth are the work of moderately skilled groups customising pre-existing source code and/or "engines" created by a smaller number of more skilled hackers - I doubt Denuvo would have lasted as long as it has if some of the old names were still active.
 
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