Poll: Is the 2016 F1 Qualifying format better than the 2015 format?
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Unless the teams can bend time, how is any of this their fault? The only people who genuinely messed up were Haas with Grosjean, as he could have been out in time but wasn't.
90 second in lap, 30 second stop, 90 second out lap, 90 second fast lap. The absolute minimum time between crossing the line and setting a time and being able to cross the line having set another one (with a stop) is 5 minutes. That covers the next 3 eliminations, so if your in those next 3 elimination spots that's it.
At Spa its more like 2 minutes per lap plus the stop, so 6 and a half minutes to turn the car around.
Its a stupid system that was never going to work. It should be binned, and the FIA needs to take a serious look at itself and its incompetence.
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Are you reading the same rules as me? The 2017 rules will make F1 worse in almost every area they touch.
The wider cars and tyres benefit is totally wiped out by the increased complexity of the aero. They are undoing all the simplification they made in 2009. Its basically 2008 horrific ugly aero messes photocopied at 120%. The tyres were reduced in width in 2010 too, so we are just clawing back what we had before anyway (in terms of fronts at least).
The racing will be worse under the 2017 rules.
The racing will be worse under the 2017 rules.
At Spa and Singapore the lap is longer than 90 seconds. How are you meant to react to being in the elimination zone when you haven't even finished the lap that would put you in the elimination zone? Are the drivers expected to be clairvoyant as well now?
It was impossible to react to being in danger unless you were just starting or already on a hot lap this weekend. There is no way you can react to being in danger, you have to have already predicted it. In fact, you needed to be able to predict if you were in danger of the next 3 or 4 eliminations.
The format 100% failed. It needs to be entirely scrapped. Anyone claiming otherwise has misunderstood how it works.
It was impossible to react to being in danger unless you were just starting or already on a hot lap this weekend. There is no way you can react to being in danger, you have to have already predicted it. In fact, you needed to be able to predict if you were in danger of the next 3 or 4 eliminations.
The format 100% failed. It needs to be entirely scrapped. Anyone claiming otherwise has misunderstood how it works.
So you want qualifying to be an even more complexly over regulated complicated mess, with totally random artificial adjustments making it an entire lottery, with a random timer based on an unrelated session, which would also mean randomly changing session lengths making it entirely unsuitable for TV.
Sounds great.
The simple fact you have had to write that many words to try and fix something that's already too complicated says it all.
The reverse grid idea won't work while it's impossible to for cars to follow and pass.
Reverse grids work in series where the cars are equal and passing is possible. The impression is reverse grids will see lots of overtaking, when in reality it will see lots of processions with a soundtrack of drivers complaining. Even in the all conquouring Mercedes and with DRS Hamilton struggled to pass anyone once he dropped to 7th.
The only time we see people out of position coming back throgh the field is when they have the opportunity to alter their strategy, usually tyres and aero. That is not possible under normal circumstances. But there in lies the solution. We don't need to break qualifying or artificially screw with the race, what we need is cars lined up on the grid with varying strategies and an ability to pass each other. Nothing fake, nothing artificial, just... Common sense.
Reverse grids work in series where the cars are equal and passing is possible. The impression is reverse grids will see lots of overtaking, when in reality it will see lots of processions with a soundtrack of drivers complaining. Even in the all conquouring Mercedes and with DRS Hamilton struggled to pass anyone once he dropped to 7th.
The only time we see people out of position coming back throgh the field is when they have the opportunity to alter their strategy, usually tyres and aero. That is not possible under normal circumstances. But there in lies the solution. We don't need to break qualifying or artificially screw with the race, what we need is cars lined up on the grid with varying strategies and an ability to pass each other. Nothing fake, nothing artificial, just... Common sense.
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Trying to make the elimination work is a useless task. No amount of fiddling or over regulation is going to make something that fundamentally won't work work.
The elimination format is 100% useless. It will never work. It needs to be gone. A 2nd weekend of total and utter farcical incompetence is not going to do F1 any favours.
It needs to go. It was a stupid idea when it was conceived and it remains a stupid idea now. Anyone with half a brain, 10 minutes of time to think about it, or who has the ability to simulate it can see that.
The elimination format is 100% useless. It will never work. It needs to be gone. A 2nd weekend of total and utter farcical incompetence is not going to do F1 any favours.
It needs to go. It was a stupid idea when it was conceived and it remains a stupid idea now. Anyone with half a brain, 10 minutes of time to think about it, or who has the ability to simulate it can see that.