Is the 6D canon's unloved child?

Willis said:
Can't say I really notice it.
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likewise. i imagine most folks would love the better noise levels and wifi over not shooting at 8000th of a second.

If shooting that fast is a major feature you need on a camera then imo a 5d3 or a 1dx would be what you should look out for as they offer that 8000/1 and chances are, that person looking for 8000/1 is also looking for a camera that can focus accuratly and quickly and also shoot high frame rates.

In a studio a 8000/1 could be handy for some who use pocketwizards that can fire strobes/speedlites at that speed.

In a nutshell, i have described some reasons why 8000/1 would be on a persons bottom of the barral reason for wanting to choose the 5d2 over a 6d when price is not a big factor.

the 6d is cracking camera! i used it and would love to have one as a backup camera that can complimant my 5d3.

i would use the 6d as my studio camera as it has some brilliant features like the wifi tethering which would be handy along with my macbook pro retina.
 
An Exception said:
Some people 'only' shoot B&W. For them it makes sense to have the better image quality. Obviously this is an extremely niche market though.
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Some of these people are so call purists who wants to shoot like film, which ultimately are kidding themselves as you are still shooting digital.

It's like the whole "pure photography" by taking out the video feature, it's rubbish really, just don't press that button.
 
Ksanti said:
Why are people developing black and white sensors? We don't need AA filters any more which was about half a justification for the Monochrom, and literally nobody shoots in black and white on a full frame sensor by choice.
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The other thing is the lack of Bayer interpolation which means that each photosite will convert light in a more direct fashion rather than interpolating from its nearest neighbours.

And of course people shoot black and white by choice, otherwise Leica and Phase One would have a very hard time shifting their mono models. Heck, people have been shooting B/W by choice ever since the first colour emulsions were introduced.
 
jonneymendoza said:
likewise. i imagine most folks would love the better noise levels and wifi over not shooting at 8000th of a second.

If shooting that fast is a major feature you need on a camera then imo a 5d3 or a 1dx would be what you should look out for as they offer that 8000/1 and chances are, that person looking for 8000/1 is also looking for a camera that can focus accuratly and quickly and also shoot high frame rates.

In a studio a 8000/1 could be handy for some who use pocketwizards that can fire strobes/speedlites at that speed.

In a nutshell, i have described some reasons why 8000/1 would be on a persons bottom of the barral reason for wanting to choose the 5d2 over a 6d when price is not a big factor.

the 6d is cracking camera! i used it and would love to have one as a backup camera that can complimant my 5d3.

i would use the 6d as my studio camera as it has some brilliant features like the wifi tethering which would be handy along with my macbook pro retina.
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The 6d would have been the camera for me, if it had even half as good AF layout as the 7D. I tried the body in Dixons at my airport, in low light when it first came out with a 24-105 attached and was stunned how good the AF was on all points in low contrast areas. I'm not impressed with feel of the build in comparison to even a 50D but I'd have got over than and the 5D3 feels just as cheap anyway. If the weather sealings good it doesn't matter that much.

I looked through my LR cat a while back and only found a handful of pics at 1/4000 at that was on my first camera 1000D with the kit lens attached by the pool in the worst time of the day to shoot. I would have needed faster with a non kit lens at 2.8 but I could have got round it. Of course I ca see why people might need faster at 1.4 on a sunny day but it wouldn't have been a current issue for me :)

Shooting and needing 1/8000 doesn't mean you need a faster camera with better AF points and burst rate, you could just be shooting wide open in the sun with slow moving targets :)

I can't think why you would ever use 1/8000 in a studio with strobes or speedlights?
 
GTRacer said:
The other thing is the lack of Bayer interpolation which means that each photosite will convert light in a more direct fashion rather than interpolating from its nearest neighbours.

And of course people shoot black and white by choice, otherwise Leica and Phase One would have a very hard time shifting their mono models. Heck, people have been shooting B/W by choice ever since the first colour emulsions were introduced.
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Yeah but even when I'm on a black and white stint I'd still rather have the b/w conversion process and the freedom that gives me in post. Maybe it's a child of this generation thing but I honestly find post processing about as therapeutic as developing film and generally straight to black and white conversions just look grey and boring.
 
An Exception said:
To kill any ambient light. Obviously most people just stop own their aperture, but if you have a crappy backdrop it may be advantageous to throw it out of focus a little.
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You really are not going to need anywhere near 1/8000 to kill ambient light in a studio? I have watched an absolute stack of Mark Wallace studio tutorials now and he's killing ambient light and the lights used to illuminate him for filming and he never gets anywhere near 1/4000 let alone 1/8000 :)

I'm trying to find the video where he was using the Canon 85mm 1.2 wide open and he didn't get anywhere near that :) I think it might have been a pay vid. :(

I just looked at photos where I was practicing killing ambient light when I was at work, in my office which is brand new brightly lit. So bright it hurts my eyes tbh. I could kill the ambient at ISO 800 2.8 1/8000 of a second. It was left on ISO 800 by mistake, doh!

So your not going to need 1/8000 in a studio to kill ambient light. Although I will happily concede that to someone who regularly needs to and does it :)
 
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Well it's good to read the positive feedback on the 6D...... I'm just contemplating where I'll go in the future... (and if I get a long haul flight for work and some tax free shopping :)

I've had 1/8000 on a camera for years, can't remember ever using it... so wouldn't influence my buying. (Just knock the ISO down to min or use a ND if you have too much light. )

I like the idea of getting rid of the AA filter in the search for greater sharpness... the 800E files An Exception shared a while back were very impressive. Shame more don't offer this.

I'm a B&W fan, I would say most of my shots end up in monochrome. Buy a B&W only camera....errr that's crazy.... I find it takes quite a bit of care to balance a shot to B&W, I would rather do that in PP with a RAW file.

OR for sure go shoot some real film, if you have time it's great to do...... Real shame scanners like the Nikon Coolscan 9000 are rare and so dam expensive now.
 
Ksanti said:
Yeah but even when I'm on a black and white stint I'd still rather have the b/w conversion process and the freedom that gives me in post. Maybe it's a child of this generation thing but I honestly find post processing about as therapeutic as developing film and generally straight to black and white conversions just look grey and boring.
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9designs2 said:
I'm a B&W fan, I would say most of my shots end up in monochrome. Buy a B&W only camera....errr that's crazy.... I find it takes quite a bit of care to balance a shot to B&W, I would rather do that in PP with a RAW file.

OR for sure go shoot some real film, if you have time it's great to do...... Real shame scanners like the Nikon Coolscan 9000 are rare and so dam expensive now.
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The files straight of a Monochrom are very dull, but when you apply curves to them you can get some really nice tones out of them - I've managed to get tones like Moriyama, Salgado, modern Acros 100, classic Tri-X out of sample files. Huge range of looks/styles. There was also more micro contrast compared to M9 files too.
 
You also get far better high ISO performance without the colour filter which blocks 2/3rds of the incoming light and reduces sharpness due to demosaicing.

However, if you shoot B&W natively you will need to have a lot of colour filters and do a lot of work in the field with less control and tighter time restrictions (e.g. the golden hour is more like 10 minutes, which is not long to play with different composition, exposures AND different colour filters).

Recording in colour and then blending the channels in PP is far more flexibile. For someone say shooting a wedding in B&W you would have a lot of great advantages shooting straight B&W without a colour filter, 1-2 stops better high ISO would be most welcome in a church.


It also forces you to think in B&W terms WRT to tones, depths, contrast, lighting etc and prevents the issue where people take a colour photo, realize it is cr@p and do a B&W conversion to make it "artistic". B&W photos need to be planned and conceptualized during the field, not sat at a computer.
 
When I shoot film I'll often have an orange filter on (Landscapes mainly). Adding the filter I always found helped me think and see in monochrome while looking through the view finder.
Seeing in colour to take a planned B&W is more difficult.
Having a Monochrome view finder would be cool.... or I guess just look at the screen after the shot...
 
Willis said:
I sold my 5dMk2 and went over to a 6D, Its better in every way apart from the weather sealing and no CF slots.
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To be fair the lack of CF could be a big factor for those with other bodies which use CF cards. The 6D is also missing the rear joystick.

Granted the 6D is, overall, a better camera than the 5D2 but the latter does still have a couple of advantages.

Personally I wouldn't be happy with either as I'd just wish I'd got a 5D3 instead so that's what I shall do :D
 
I've used a 6D at my last couple of weddings. Really like it although I noticed after the first Wedding that you need to turn the LCD right down for it to resemble anything like true exposure!

Love the fact that Auto ISO could be set to a minimum shutter speed. Really useful for catching something off the cuff in Av with auto ISO. Kind of feels like cheating a little bit being use to my 5D mkII.

One thing I really don't like is that the flash compensation button how now gone and is in the quick menu. Still takes some getting used to when switching between the 5 and 6. Is the 5D mkIII the same?
 
9designs2 said:
Well it's good to read the positive feedback on the 6D...... I'm just contemplating where I'll go in the future... (and if I get a long haul flight for work and some tax free shopping :)

I've had 1/8000 on a camera for years, can't remember ever using it... so wouldn't influence my buying. (Just knock the ISO down to min or use a ND if you have too much light. )

I like the idea of getting rid of the AA filter in the search for greater sharpness... the 800E files An Exception shared a while back were very impressive. Shame more don't offer this.

I'm a B&W fan, I would say most of my shots end up in monochrome. Buy a B&W only camera....errr that's crazy.... I find it takes quite a bit of care to balance a shot to B&W, I would rather do that in PP with a RAW file.

OR for sure go shoot some real film, if you have time it's great to do...... Real shame scanners like the Nikon Coolscan 9000 are rare and so dam expensive now.
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Yeah the only time I've needed 1/8000 has been shooting in summer abroad as quite often I wound up even at ISO 200 (100 extended) not being able to shoot at 1.4 and while that's a small usage it's annoying for it to be an issue. Haven't shot the D800 in those situations but I'm pretty sure it goes to 50 extended and DR is so huge at base 100 I'm not too fussed
 
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