Is this racist?

[strudey]

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Race is part of our culture, but race is just to do with physical properties, nothing more, nothing less. Stop trying to make it so.

Definition:
1. group of humans: one of the groups into which the world's population can be divided on the basis of physical characteristics such as skin or hair color
2. fact of belonging to group: the fact of belonging to a group of humans who share the same physical features such as skin color

To try and make race anything more than that is describing culture.

Race is a product of society & culture, not just a part of it. To repeat, the biological idea of race is not based on science:

Evidence from the analysis of genetics (e.g., DNA) indicates that most physical variation, about 94%, lies within so-called racial groups. Conventional geographic "racial" groupings differ from one another only in about 6% of their genes. This means that there is greater variation within "racial" groups than between them.

There is massively more biological variation within a 'race' than between one and another. What does this tell you? That demarking people on the grounds of their skin colour makes perfect sense? Or that it comes from people's ideas, i.e. it is a social construct?

I don't see you arguing against this. A dictionary definition gives the meaning of the word as it is commonly held - I am telling you about the reality behind the concept of race. And the reality is, race has no biological basis.

Here's that link again. It represents a consensus of U.S. anthropologists. A good book about our country, if you're interested, is Black British, White British by Dilip Hiro. This is a work of history, so it tries very hard not to be ideologically biased; I think it achieves this as much as is possible.

 

[JohnnyG]

Lets face it - If the mods wanted to do something about it - They already would have...

If you find something offensive or racist rtm it and it will be looked at.
Not everyone takes offence at the same things though and some terms when used in certain contexts are suitable

 

[linktoinsanity]

I dont find it racist and im pakistani in origin...i just found cringeworthy and not really that funny.

Apart from the pakistani bit (White all the way as far as I know) I agree.

This country and it's Political Correctness is beyond a joke. The pakistanis take the **** out of the Whites, who in turn cannot take it back as the PC will call the other PCs (the police) and get you done for racism.

"Racism's fine as long as it's funny." In other words as long as you don't mean it in a horrible way and just mean it as a bit of a laugh, who cares if it's slightly offensive. Now calling a black man "slave" and treating him as if he is below you as far as human rights are concerned is utterly wrong, but having a joke should just be seen as that. FFS This PC issue is the problem with the country, not racism I think I'm gonna sue all those that call me "Lanky" as I'm tall. I hate that word although it essentially just means tall, and if they're pakistani I'll use "****", as they probably don't like that word though it's just short for pakistani

 

[Knubje]

Apart from the pakistani bit (White all the way as far as I know) I agree.

This country and it's Political Correctness is beyond a joke. The pakistanis take the **** out of the Whites, who in turn cannot take it back as the PC will call the other PCs (the police) and get you done for racism.

"Racism's fine as long as it's funny." In other words as long as you don't mean it in a horrible way and just mean it as a bit of a laugh, who cares if it's slightly offensive. Now calling a black man "slave" and treating him as if he is below you as far as human rights are concerned is utterly wrong, but having a joke should just be seen as that. FFS This PC issue is the problem with the country, not racism I think I'm gonna sue all those that call me "Lanky" as I'm tall. I hate that word although it essentially just means tall, and if they're pakistani I'll use "****", as they probably don't like that word though it's just short for pakistani

You lanky pakistani!!!!!

*Makes formal apology*

 

[linktoinsanity]

You lanky pakistani!!!!!

*Makes formal apology*

Sued

 

[moltenlava]

If he said i hate Pakastani coat attendants then yes but calling him racist for a crappy joke about a pakastani coat attendant, some people need to get a life, really, PC gone mad for sure.

Just like you cant sing Bah Bah Black Sheep anymore, its ridiculous.

 

[semi-pro waster]

Just like you cant sing Bah Bah Black Sheep anymore, its ridiculous.

Who is stopping you? I've seen a couple of isolated examples in the news where individual nurseries/schools have taken it upon themselves to change the lyrics or stop people singing but if you are not in that particular area (and of nursery age or dealing in primary care) then you are as free to sing the rhyme as you always were.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Just like you cant sing Bah Bah Black Sheep anymore, its ridiculous.

Yes, you can.

 

[Delvis]

Yes, you can.

I believe he was referring to the fact in schools the song bar bar black sheep has turned into bar bar rainbow sheep or whatever ludicrous name it has now.

 

[Gaygle]

I believe he was referring to the fact in schools the song bar bar black sheep has turned into bar bar rainbow sheep or whatever ludicrous name it has now.

No it hasn't. From what i've read it happened in a few schools, which led to the press jumping all over it, which led to people mistakely saying "you can't sing baa baa black sheep - ****ing polictal correctness".

 

[Delvis]

No it hasn't. From what i've read it happened in a few schools, which led to the press jumping all over it, which led to people mistakely saying "you can't sing baa baa black sheep - ****ing polictal correctness".

Fair enough, some schools.

Didn't literally mean ALL schools in existance, as I wouldn't know...having not been at school for several years.

Although we sang bar bar black sheep

 

[LiamC]

Good joke.


anyway, its friday, im away to get legless. I advise YOU do the same too.

 

[Gaygle]

Good joke.


anyway, its friday, im away to get legless. I advise YOU do the same too.

TFTI?

 

[CrazySpeaker]

Race is a product of society & culture, not just a part of it. To repeat, the biological idea of race is not based on science:

That's just a lie isn't it? Race is a product of humans adapting to there environment through means of natural selection. I don't see how you can possibly say race is a social construction.

There is massively more biological variation within a 'race' than between one and another. What does this tell you? That demarking people on the grounds of their skin colour makes perfect sense? Or that it comes from people's ideas, i.e. it is a social construct?

It doesn't tell you anything. What is important is what specific genes vary. It doesn't mean anything just quoting percentages of genes.

I don't see you arguing against this. A dictionary definition gives the meaning of the word as it is commonly held - I am telling you about the reality behind the concept of race. And the reality is, race has no biological basis.

I'm arguing against it because I find what you are saying utterly ridiculous. Either that or we have both got the wrong end of the stick.

Here's that link again. It represents a consensus of U.S. anthropologists. A good book about our country, if you're interested, is Black British, White British by Dilip Hiro. This is a work of history, so it tries very hard not to be ideologically biased; I think it achieves this as much as is possible.

I don't care what a group of people in the US decide on. Race is purely a result of biological factors, ie genes. What ideas people have of a race or what a race is labelled as is obviously a social constraint, but that doesn't seem to be what you are saying?

 

[Kennysevenfold]

Not at all, they just say its racist for the sake of it, It is OUR Kingdom after all, if they dont like it...They know where the boat is...

lol

 

[jas72]

Sir David Jason tells this joke during a radio interview:

What do you call a Pakistani cloakroom attendant?

Mahatma coat.

Whilst quite groanworthy, I personally don't think its at all racist. It's no worse than "Ivor Biggun" or something like that. But no, because he's used the work "Pakistani" in the joke it gets instant condemnation. Political correctness gone too far in my opinion.

BBC news article

PK!

Yawn at PC bigots

 

[icehot]

Im bangladeshi/british citizen - and erm hell no! All of us don't mind these jokes we prefer them actually it's good crack when i'm at work/uni etc and people crack terrorist jokes when I have a bag or don't shave for a bit lol.

we need more people like you in society

 

[craptakular]

a scotsman, englishman and an irishman walk into a bar...

yoou sick racist thug...