Is this right?

luckypapyrussam · 6 Apr 2007 at 16:25

I got myself a new pc a few weeks ago because it was going cheap, now i have installed Call of Duty 2 on the machine but it seems to have pretty low fps, of around 70-100 on lowest settings..

Specs:

AMD Athlon 64 3800+ X2
2GB Dual Channel ram (Not sure what ram)
512mb X1300 Graphics Card

Now i know that the graphics card it letting it down a lot but should i be getting fps this low?

My old machine was a lot worse but only had slightly lower fps.

Old Spec:

AMD 3200+
512 Ram Dual Channel
9600 se

I mean thats a pretty LOW system, but is my graphics card really letting my system down that much?

Thanks for any reply's

Sam.

Insanity · 6 Apr 2007 at 16:47

Take a look at which DX setting its set at in the options.

Will either be DX7, DX9 or Auto.

I'd say its at DX7 for you to be getting 100fps with that card though.

neocon · 6 Apr 2007 at 17:01

what did you expect with a £50 gfx card?

X1300 is just a toy. You should have atleast got a x1900 or 7600.

a 7900 GS can be had for £100. probably double your fps

Defcon5 · 6 Apr 2007 at 17:04

100fps? whats wrong with that?

silversurfer · 6 Apr 2007 at 17:08

Nothing wrong with 100fps or 50 even so long as it doesnt drop or spike

The gfx is well below spec though

stifler · 6 Apr 2007 at 17:43

the game itself holds back people's pc's cus the max fps is only set at 85fps in the config, which you can change if you wish.

HangTime · 6 Apr 2007 at 18:27

luckypapyrussam said:
512mb X1300 Graphics Card

Now i know that the graphics card it letting it down a lot but should i be getting fps this low?

Yes, you should.

That card is very poor by modern standards, in fact just be thankful that COD2 has a DX7 mode.

luckypapyrussam · 6 Apr 2007 at 19:43

neocon said:
what did you expect with a £50 gfx card?

X1300 is just a toy. You should have atleast got a x1900 or 7600.

a 7900 GS can be had for £100. probably double your fps

The grpahics card came with a pc as i bought it as a whole because it was going cheap, i want to buy a X1950 from here as they are quite cheap now, i knew that the graphics card is really crap but i was getting the same fps with a 9600se and just thought that the graphics card could have been faulty or something.

Thanks anyway guys, but i dont think i will be getting a graphics card for a while as we are moving house :'( wish me luck

Sam.

silversurfer · 6 Apr 2007 at 20:35

well when you do buy they'll be even cheaper so dont be too down, all the best games come out later on anyway

VeNT · 6 Apr 2007 at 20:42

love that people are making 512 ver of these low end cards
WHAT IS THE POINT?

silversurfer · 6 Apr 2007 at 20:49

Maybe for some app that only needs low fps but the ability to hold large textures. Something like a high end online adventure game?.

The obvious answer though is customer demand and lack of knowledge/judgement, more is always better right :/

neocon · 6 Apr 2007 at 21:13

luckypapyrussam said:
The grpahics card came with a pc as i bought it as a whole because it was going cheap, i want to buy a X1950 from here as they are quite cheap now, i knew that the graphics card is really crap but i was getting the same fps with a 9600se and just thought that the graphics card could have been faulty or something.

Thanks anyway guys, but i dont think i will be getting a graphics card for a while as we are moving house :'( wish me luck

Sam.

another problem is that the PSU is probably inadequate for use with a x1950. y

luckypapyrussam · 7 Apr 2007 at 02:05

neocon said:
another problem is that the PSU is probably inadequate for use with a x1950. y

Is there any way to check the power of my PSU other than opening up the case and checking on the side? because the last time i opened up the case to check there was loads of differant numbers and i just couldnt tell what was the number i was looking for

Anyway is there some power lead from my PSU needed for a x1950 graphics card?

Im a newbie when it comes to upgrading as u can tell :rolleyes:

Energize · 7 Apr 2007 at 06:41

luckypapyrussam said:
Is there any way to check the power of my PSU other than opening up the case and checking on the side? because the last time i opened up the case to check there was loads of differant numbers and i just couldnt tell what was the number i was looking for

Anyway is there some power lead from my PSU needed for a x1950 graphics card?

Im a newbie when it comes to upgrading as u can tell

No the only way is to open the case, what matters rather than the watts is the current on the 12v rail.

VeNT said:
love that people are making 512 ver of these low end cards
WHAT IS THE POINT?

Because people who know nothing think, "more mb is better" so buy a 512mb version.

drunkenmaster · 7 Apr 2007 at 10:07

Energize said:
No the only way is to open the case, what matters rather than the watts is the current on the 12v rail.

Because people who know nothing think, "more mb is better" so buy a 512mb version.

this post is funny, mainly because the 2nd statement is true, the 1st isn't.

amps don't matter, i mean they do, if a psu only states it can do 10amps on the 12v it is too low. but the amp rating on a psu is the rating that is the maximum and unobtainable value. when the psu is running at 25c(none do in proper use) and when there is NO LOAD on the other lines at all. if its running above 25c the max amp rating is reduced, when theres loads on the other lines, the max value is reduced again. wattage is a fairly good indicator as long as you're buying a quality brand really.

i would be 95% sure the psu in that system can deal with a x1950pro, because theres few psu's available that can't these days.

what the thread starter is failing to realise is there is likely to be next to no difference in the 9600 and the x1300 other than memory amount, athough, its an SE edition, no idea what that stands for in this case, might be a lower pipes version, or overclocked version, or anything inbetween.

fact is that for gaming your system isn't better, you don't "need" 2gb of mem to run games when you have to run in low res with a crappy card. you don't need bagloads of cpu power for any fps games, for most games even. gaming = gpu, and almost no prebuild computers are built for gaming. at any pricepoint the gfx card will be as low spec as possible while they will have better cpu's/mem than they need. like a mid end dell will still have some POS card in it but the option to get £600 cpu in it. you only get the great cards in the hugely expensive systems, where as for gaming you smack a £200 card into a £300 computer and you have a high end gaming computer.

the-void · 7 Apr 2007 at 11:51

luckypapyrussam said:
Specs:
AMD Athlon 64 3800+ X2
2GB Dual Channel ram (Not sure what ram)
512mb X1300 Graphics Card

Old Spec:

AMD 3200+
512 Ram Dual Channel
9600 se

Would have seen far greater benefits by overclocking the 3200+ to near single core 3800+ speeds (not many games utilise the 2nd core as yet). Flogging the 9600se and adding the money to the cash you spent on the x1300 and the 3800x2 and bought a 7800gs (Assuming you have AGP).

If you really wanted the dual core CPU then you should have just got 1Gb of memory and a 7600gt.

Anything is better than the x1300, it's a terrible card. But then, so is the x1600 as well.

luckypapyrussam · 7 Apr 2007 at 22:08

the-void said:
Would have seen far greater benefits by overclocking the 3200+ to near single core 3800+ speeds (not many games utilise the 2nd core as yet). Flogging the 9600se and adding the money to the cash you spent on the x1300 and the 3800x2 and bought a 7800gs (Assuming you have AGP).

If you really wanted the dual core CPU then you should have just got 1Gb of memory and a 7600gt.

Anything is better than the x1300, it's a terrible card. But then, so is the x1600 as well.

Didnt you read? the pc is a pre build

And thanks for the replys guys, maybe i should be upgrading my GPU soon then, even though i dont have much money too

, maybe il find a nice x950pro in the for sale section when i have some cash to buy.

Sam.

Energize · 7 Apr 2007 at 22:11

drunkenmaster said:
this post is funny, mainly because the 2nd statement is true, the 1st isn't.

amps don't matter, i mean they do, if a psu only states it can do 10amps on the 12v it is too low.

Which is exactly what I meant. You might have a 400watt psu but if all the current was on the 5v and 3v rail it wouldn't work.

luckypapyrussam · 7 Apr 2007 at 22:25

Then how do i find out? i havnt got a clue with PSU's

Should it all be writen on the side then i guess?

Energize · 7 Apr 2007 at 22:28

luckypapyrussam said:
Then how do i find out? i havnt got a clue with PSU's Should it all be writen on the side then i guess?

Yes it should be on the side of the psu. Don't see why it wouldn't work though if it's powering an x2 system.