Is your E90 a bit slow?

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How about this one then?

There is only 1 Hartge H50 in the United States and this is it. Less than 10 exist worldwide.

The H50 conversion package costs roughly $220,000 (new E90 325i included) and takes 7-8 weeks to complete (not including shipping time to Germany).

This car was built to be 100% legal in the United States. The HARTGE H50 Conversion is done at the highest quality of workmanship. All factory features are still functioning. All of the practical functionality of a stock BMW has not been compromised during its conversion. The OBD port and factory check engine lights function like stock.

"A 200-mph BMW 3 Series is one of those deviant cars that we're just happy to see from time to time. The fact that this one is every bit as easy to live with as the slightly more upmarket M5 makes it the ultimate sleeper." -- Edmunds Inside Line

"Beyond such shenanigans, everyday use is absolutely not out of the question. Just leave DTC on and Power off. The default setting for the seven-speed SMG III (pulled also from the E60) shift rhythm, however, is always at Level Five. For me, this is great since I do that anyway in either the M5 or M6. You can tell Hartge that you don't want full-time Level Five as the default, sure, but that would, in turn, make you a wuss." -- European Car

"On the plus side, the H50 has the practicality of a 3 Series, including four real seats, highway cruising capability and all the storage any human being could reasonably want from a 200-mph car. Hartge has dressed the interior with a new steering wheel and acres of carbon-fiber, although this is all optional. This 3,680-pound beast is effectively the M5 CSL-Lite that BMW says it simply cannot make." --Edmunds Inside Line
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Hartge Conversion Equipment Listing:

E60 M5 V10 Engine with all associated parts, radiator, modified wiring harness, modified headers, sports catalytic converters.

Own bespoke engine mapping including HARTGE modification of the top speed limit, 7 speed SMG gear box, special exhaust system, modified rear axle, rear differential with 0-100% LSD, modified drive shafts, modified underbody, modified gas tank system.

HARTGE stainless steel rear silencer with double oval tail pieces left and right
HARTGE coil over sports suspension 1.2 inches lower (30mm)
HARTGE front spoiler lip, HARTGE rear wing
HARTGE Carbon Mirror casings
HARTGE Carbon Fiber interior trim, dash, steering wheel
HARTGE instrument cluster consisting of 200 mph speedometer, tach 9000rpm
HARTGE Pedals & Floor Mats
HARTGE 15 x 1.3 inch cross drill floating rotors with 8 piston brake calipers front
HARTGE 13 x .09 inch cross drilled floating rotors with 4 piston calipers rear
HARTGE 9.0 x 20 front wheels offset 40 with 245/30/ZR20 Conti SC3 Tires
HARTGE 10.0 x 20 rear wheels offset 40 with 295/25/ZR20 Conti SC3 Tires
On-Dashboard indicator for gear box mode, gear indicator, power mode, oil temp, and water temp.
HARTGE Leather E-brake Handle
HARTGE hood and trunk Emblems
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Price: $105,000






Mental. Stupid, unnecessary, overpriced, probably a ***** to work on, but bloody hell, is it mental.
 
...Might aswell buy an M5? or if you want a fast 3 series a M3

But I see what your coming from a V10 in a 3 series would be unexpected and awesome.
 
Surely it would be a little easier and massively cheaper to strap a turbo on an M3? To achieve the same power only requires another 100hp, or roughly 25% increase. In turbo terms, that's pretty low, so I'd expect you could do it with a low pressure unit that would spool up really quickly to reduce lag. Failing that, a supercharger, which would retain the majority of the benefits of noise, and avoid lag.
 
Mr_Sukebe said:
Surely it would be a little easier and massively cheaper to strap a turbo on an M3? To achieve the same power only requires another 100hp, or roughly 25% increase. In turbo terms, that's pretty low, so I'd expect you could do it with a low pressure unit that would spool up really quickly to reduce lag. Failing that, a supercharger, which would retain the majority of the benefits of noise, and avoid lag.
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I see your point, but, back to back I think the V10 would be the more fun, not forgetting you could also turbo or supercharge it too, also I don't think cost is high on the list of the buyer that thing is aimed at, were cost a factor, I doubt anybody would even consider the Hartge in the first place.


The M3 would merely be a modified M3 no matter how you looked at it, that e90 is something in a different league, if only from the conversion aspect.

I'd rather the Hartge over a modded M3 I think, doubt I'd want to pay list price for it mind you!
 
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NA V10 vs Turboed M3... for anyone who knows anything about engine characteristics... the NA V10 would be miles above and beyond ;)

Supercharged is better than turbo, sure... but it still has a significant effect on the engine character... NA is just... better.

Throttle-bodied V10/V8... mmmm
 
Mr_Sukebe said:
Surely it would be a little easier and massively cheaper to strap a turbo on an M3? To achieve the same power only requires another 100hp, or roughly 25% increase. In turbo terms, that's pretty low, so I'd expect you could do it with a low pressure unit that would spool up really quickly to reduce lag. Failing that, a supercharger, which would retain the majority of the benefits of noise, and avoid lag.
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Did you see the video?




Listen to it :eek:


I'd have the V10 all day long. Not saying you couldn't get the same results with some forced induction, but the theatre of the V10 is just.... wow.
 
Sounds glorious. Would love to see people's faces at the lights with that taking off with 325i left on the back :p

However. There's masses of things I would prefer to spend $220k on...
 
The M5 V10 seems to regularly get priased as one of the all time great road car engines, so I can see the appeal of wanting to put it in another car. But putting it in another, not quite as good BMW seems to miss the point?

Surely the result is a more expensive, yet smaller and not quite as good car as an M5?
 
Skeeter said:
The M5 V10 seems to regularly get priased as one of the all time great road car engines, so I can see the appeal of wanting to put it in another car. But putting it in another, not quite as good BMW seems to miss the point?

Surely the result is a more expensive, yet smaller and not quite as good car as an M5?
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Go away logic man!


Agreed, there is very little, if any logic behind this at all. If it was someone's project we'd all be hailing it as EHRMAHGEHRDLOL DAT ENGINE BRUV but the fact that they're charging $220k for it is a bit rich. Or not, as it happens.


Still, I maintain my original point: it's stupid, pointless, overpriced, probably a ***** to work on and I absolutely love it.


Anyone need a kidney?
 
Have you ever actually driven an M5?

They're HUUUUUGE

Putting that engine in something smaller/nimbler sounds good to me... even if it might throw the balance off a bit it sounds fun... sounds quite american hot-rod-ish too
 
Sorry, going to stick with the M3 with a supercharger option.
Sure, might not have the bragging rights of the v10, but the noise is not going to be rubbish, and I'm guessing the engine won't be as heavy, meaning a better balanced car.

After all, if you just wanted a hot rod straight line car, buy an SRT Challenger.
 
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