ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

arknor · 21 Nov 2015 at 03:44

snowdog1971 said:
VERY happy to see that the UN is giving the thumbs-up for action against these scumbags. Very disappointed that Labour weren't up for it when they last voted on it but action sanctioned by the UN should make even that idiot of a leader that Labour have at the moment getting on board.

I'm living in London but personally aren't worried about getting killed by similar atrocities that we've seen in Paris and Mali, when it's your time to go it's your time to go and there's bugger all you can do about it.

London was under threat from the IRA for decades and it didn't stop me going on about my business then and these ******s won't stop me going on about my business now.

What would be hilarious would be if there was such an entity as god or allah or any other godhead and they popped down to chew bubble gum and kick ass of these muppets. I don't believe in any of that superstitious nonsense myself but I'd love to see it happen lol

Personally any religion that stops anyone from shagging, eating and drinking whatever they want is ridiculous. Think of all those millions of people worldwide that haven't tasted the wonders of a fried bacon sandwich. I'm part Jewish but thank my lucky stars (and my parents, and my grandparents!) that we're not in any way orthodox. Bacon sarnies are a delicacy that EVERYONE should be able to try out imo.

are you talking about when labour stopped the tories attacking syria? you realise cameron wanted to bomb assad right the guy russia is helping

camerons a moron...

Rroff · 21 Nov 2015 at 04:10

^^ Assad is as much the problem as anyone else there and there is no simple way to resolve that - I'm not saying he is innocent but he kind of ended up in a situation where there was no right way to go forward even assuming he did have the whole countries best interests in mind rather than his own people and those closer connected to them, the only way really would be to carve the country up once its all said and done and leave Assad in control of one part of it but that wouldn't go down well with him either.

Amp34 · 21 Nov 2015 at 06:15

RedDanDoc said:
My boy comes home late from school and I panic a little inside, at the back of my mind the fear that soon Muslims will be making their gruesome videos here in the UK.

Your son is about 1000 times more likely to be run over by a car than kills by a terrorist... Perhaps you should worry about that rather than the minuscule chance of him being a victim of terrorism. Neuroticism...

Cosimo · 21 Nov 2015 at 08:14

Well Said!

RedDanDoc · 21 Nov 2015 at 09:01

Amp34 said:
Your son is about 1000 times more likely to be run over by a car than kills by a terrorist... Perhaps you should worry about that rather than the minuscule chance of him being a victim of terrorism. Neuroticism...

I think we established that a page ago. Do keep up! :rolleyes:

mr tommo · 21 Nov 2015 at 09:46

So erm...A load of us are due to be going to Brussels Christmas markets for a long weekend in 3 weeks...

Cosimo · 21 Nov 2015 at 09:54

mr tommo said:
So erm...A load of us are due to be going to Brussels Christmas markets for a long weekend in 3 weeks...

Go, enjoy yourselves as life has to continue as normal. We didn't give in to the IRA nor to Al-Qaeda and we most certainly won't let IS stop us from going about our daily business.

Rofflay · 21 Nov 2015 at 09:59

Anyone else sort of cringe now that so called "Islamophobia" has gone mainstream? Geesh guys welcome to like five years ago when everyone was trying to point out the elephant in the room. Almost as bad as the post i saw yesterday where Muslims are the real victims of Paris... Really... And here is another obvious elephant in the room that people will probably twig onto next.

No matter what we do, They win. Islamism is now generating sympathy for Muslims, Yet at the same time advancing the cause of Islam hahahahahah. How many people who never heard of Allah before now know all about the faith? As a wise man once said all PR is good PR. Honestly where the hell does it go next? Because on a stupidty level i really think we are just about to burst through the skylight like Willy Wonka.

This ISIS crap is simply a temporary part of a 1,400 year war we still have not figured out how to fight.

mr tommo · 21 Nov 2015 at 10:02

Normally I wouldn't have thought twice, however having a 6 week old son has certainly changed the way I think now.

Orionaut · 21 Nov 2015 at 10:20

Rofflay said:
Anyone else sort of cringe now that so called "Islamophobia" has gone mainstream? Geesh guys welcome to like five years ago when everyone was trying to point out the elephant in the room. Almost as bad as the post i saw yesterday where Muslims are the real victims of Paris... Really... And here is another obvious elephant in the room that people will probably twig onto next.

No matter what we do, They win. Islamism is now generating sympathy for Muslims, Yet at the same time advancing the cause of Islam hahahahahah. How many people who never heard of Allah before now know all about the faith? As a wise man once said all PR is good PR. Honestly where the hell does it go next? Because on a stupidty level i really think we are just about to burst through the skylight like Willy Wonka.

This ISIS crap is simply a temporary part of a 1,400 year war we still have not figured out how to fight.

Note to Mods!

Could we add "UP" and "Down" arrows for posts that we agree/disagree with but without necessarily feeling a need to comment on!

(This one gets an "Up")

Johno please? · 21 Nov 2015 at 10:28

arknor said:
are you talking about when labour stopped the tories attacking syria? you realise cameron wanted to bomb assad right the guy russia is helping

camerons a moron...

You do realise Assad is still the main problem don't you? That's what kicked it all off 4yrs ago remember.

Rofflay said:
Anyone else sort of cringe now that so called "Islamophobia" has gone mainstream?

This ISIS crap is simply a temporary part of a 1,400 year war we still have not figured out how to fight.

Islamophobia, hahahaha yea right

Danny75 · 21 Nov 2015 at 10:31

Orionaut said:
Note to Mods!

Could we add "UP" and "Down" arrows for posts that we agree/disagree with but without necessarily feeling a need to comment on!

(This one gets an "Up")

There's a tendency for people to say what (they think) will get the most votes and to avoid saying anything (they think) will be down-voted, under that setup. Not having it results in more people speaking their minds. I prefer it the way it is, personally. There is already enough ego to deal with (our own and others') when discussing or debating, without having to add more ego-incentive to the mix.

holymonk · 21 Nov 2015 at 10:37

arknor said:
are you talking about when labour stopped the tories attacking syria? you realise cameron wanted to bomb assad right the guy russia is helping

camerons a moron...

I see these dictators as a lesser of two evils. We remove them and all hell breaks loose. At least with these guys you have stability.

Danny75 · 21 Nov 2015 at 10:39

Johno please? said:
You do realise Assad is still the main problem don't you? That's what kicked it all off 4yrs ago remember.

I seem to remember a CIA plot to overthrow Assad (now confirmed - dating from at least 2006), and unknown snipers shooting protestors (which felt very unlike an overt dictatorship's actions to me and is straight out of the CIA's how-to-start-a-coup handbook), followed by gun smuggling from Libya into Syria and an influx of foreign fighters, financed by Saudi Arabia, Qatar and others, and fostered in their ambitions by official Western political support, deals with Jihadists (John McCain photo-ops with their top leaders, etc) and some military training.

I'm also of the opinion that no leader lasts four years anywhere, let alone four weeks, once the majority of the population don't want them. Therefore to the majority of the Syrians he's not the problem - he's whom they prefer.

Terminal_Boy · 21 Nov 2015 at 10:59

mr tommo said:
So erm...A load of us are due to be going to Brussels Christmas markets for a long weekend in 3 weeks...

Wrap up warm. Goose down parka over a decent level III vest should do the trick. Add level IV SAPI plates if you expect to be shot as well as blown up.

Uther · 21 Nov 2015 at 11:07

I don't remember ISIS being around when the world had Gaddaffi, Hussein, and Assad (in firm control)
Have we made the world a safer place by getting rid of them? I don't think so. Sadly some places seem to need dictators in charge to stop the crazies.

Rofflay · 21 Nov 2015 at 11:24

Uther said:
I don't remember ISIS being around when the world had Gaddaffi, Hussein, and Assad (in firm control)
Have we made the world a safer place by getting rid of them? I don't think so. Sadly some places seem to need dictators in charge to stop the crazies.

Some reading to do, ISIS has a lot of former Baath party members and Saddam was a pro Arabization Sunni aka scumbag. Gaddaffi was also moaning about victory in Europe via the womb and not war. Again another scumbag who was choosing stealth methods and sending semtex to Ireland.

Assad on the other hand? If he goes down i will be suprised to learn that he was up to the same tricks. But i know that his state is a secular one and with a lot of different faiths. Even the moderates are pushing for a state with an "Islamic flavour" as they put it. Which basically means another ethnic cleansing and another nice Arab country to add to the list. This method is basically like a ripple effect or do people not realize Egypt was never Arab? Nor was Syria and if they get Syria sorted Lebanon will be next. It is pretty much whack a mole and the mole is anything that aint Muslim. Whack whack whack until you get to the doorstep of Europe again.

I am glad they are all dead, But i have a different feeling about Bashar Al Assad.

estebanrey · 21 Nov 2015 at 11:45

Rofflay said:
Anyone else sort of cringe now that so called "Islamophobia" has gone mainstream? Geesh guys welcome to like five years ago when everyone was trying to point out the elephant in the room. Almost as bad as the post i saw yesterday where Muslims are the real victims of Paris... Really... And here is another obvious elephant in the room that people will probably twig onto next.

No matter what we do, They win. Islamism is now generating sympathy for Muslims, Yet at the same time advancing the cause of Islam hahahahahah. How many people who never heard of Allah before now know all about the faith? As a wise man once said all PR is good PR. Honestly where the hell does it go next? Because on a stupidty level i really think we are just about to burst through the skylight like Willy Wonka.

This ISIS crap is simply a temporary part of a 1,400 year war we still have not figured out how to fight.

It seems you think all Muslims and ISIS are interchangeable. What do you mean whatever we do 'they' win? Who's 'they'?

The way ISIS win is by embracing Islamaphobia (which you seem proud to be a part of) and giving in to their 'divide and conquer' strategy.

Not sure if you've seen this but if so the message was clearly lost on you...

Johno please? · 21 Nov 2015 at 12:05

Danny75 said:
I'm also of the opinion that no leader lasts four years anywhere, let alone four weeks, once the majority of the population don't want them. Therefore to the majority of the Syrians he's not the problem - he's whom they prefer.

People said about Saddam Hussein, but to anyone who knows anything about Iraq knows this is false.

The population not only disliked him but more so, were terrified of him and his regime.

Uther said:
I don't remember ISIS being around when the world had Gaddaffi, Hussein, and Assad (in firm control)
Have we made the world a safer place by getting rid of them? I don't think so. Sadly some places seem to need dictators in charge to stop the crazies.

Ah, I know when someone knows nothing of the region when they say "they need someone with a firm hand to keep everyone in line"

The people don't want or need dictators in these countries.

Rofflay · 21 Nov 2015 at 12:07

estebanrey said:
It seems you think all Muslims and ISIS are interchangeable. What do you mean whatever we do 'they' win? Who's 'they'?

The way ISIS win is by embracing Islamaphobia (which you seem proud to be a part of) and giving in to their 'divide and conquer' strategy.

Not sure if you've seen this but if so the message was clearly lost on you...

Wrong it does not give in to anything, It gets rid of the problem which is Muslims. Who do you think will be doing the next round of terror once ISIS goes? Muslims? who was doing it before ISIS? Muslims. Who benefits from me taking your advice and dropping my so called Islamophobia? Muslims.

Who seems to win no matter which solution we take? Muslims. Specifically the Western Muslims who are pretty much playing the good Muslim bad Muslim game. Here is a blunt fact that no one is going to admit on TV, If you wanted to stop all of this and make Europe safe? Remove Muslims. And there may be a few decent Muslims out there heck maybe many. But they still lend thier cultural support to Islam by being Muslims.

I gave up a so called Christian identity because i think a lot of it was evil fairtale hogwash. Are they giving it up by running around building more Mosques and wearing hijabs and calling thier kids Mohammed? No the fact that this makes people like you go into denial further proves my point that none of you seem to get it or are willing to get it. The single most dangerous thing we can do in the West is harbour a culture of sympathy for these cultural suporters of Islam.