I suppose I'm against the proposal as it stands because bombing isn't going to achieve victory, so if the aim is to destroy ISIS then we have to do it properly and send in boots on the ground (not just us of course, but a unified coalition), but no-one seems to have the stomach for that given our recent history.
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isn't really the case
its like saying that because the largest source of funding for the IRA came from the US then the US, one of our allies, was the largest supporter of the IRA
in reality it is more complicated than that - sure there are people within Saudi who have probably funded IS or have funded other groups which have then joined IS - though the idea that the Saudi govt itself is a supporter of IS now is flawed
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Other than Saudi Arabia and Qatar where religious extremists object to the Syrian's lack of religious fervour and Turkey whose Government objects to Syria's past failure to eliminate the Kurds, can anyone think of any other country in the region that has had past "issues" with Syria . . . 
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I hope the government first order the RAF to bomb home grown ISIS supporters here in the UK and rest of EUROPE first, I do not want to get shot by an AK47 on my way to work next week by someone born here in the UK and doing it because they support the ISIS dream.
If the UK is not prepared to send in the army then an air campaign is totally pointless and all it will do is serve as a recruitment exercise to join ISIS UK.
THERE IS NO END GOAL, NO OBJECTIVE, JUST RANDOM BOMBING, NO WAR IS WON WITHOUT FEET ON THE GROUND.
Also, middle eastern countries need hard core dictators as all that happens is tribal groups try to seek power for themselves, AKA the history of the middle east.
ISIS will never be defeated by bombing, ideology takes 100's of years to defeat and can only be done so by education.
If the UK is not prepared to send in the army then an air campaign is totally pointless and all it will do is serve as a recruitment exercise to join ISIS UK.
THERE IS NO END GOAL, NO OBJECTIVE, JUST RANDOM BOMBING, NO WAR IS WON WITHOUT FEET ON THE GROUND.
Also, middle eastern countries need hard core dictators as all that happens is tribal groups try to seek power for themselves, AKA the history of the middle east.
ISIS will never be defeated by bombing, ideology takes 100's of years to defeat and can only be done so by education.
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I'm undecided if I'm honest.
Yes Daesh need destroying & if it were that simple then I'd be all for it.
BUT....
While the RAF are dropping bombs our government are in a formal military alliance with Turkey who are (allegedly) buying oil from Daesh, & another of our allies Saudi Arabia are the largest supporters of IS. So with one hand we're bombing them but with the other we are supporting enablers & funders of Daesh.
Also some of the so called moderates are supporting have swapped sides are are now working with Al Queada & Daesh, the moderates were also supposed to be trained in the UK but the program was cancelled after members the 1st group raped a drunk man & sexually assaulted women in the town near where they were being trained. Does anyone think that people like this are very moderate at all and will be more tolerant & democratic than Assad(who isn't).
It's not just a case of tally ho! bombs away! it seems far more complex to me & I don't think bombing Daesh should be considered until we've made a concrete effort to stop enabling it's supporters & in turn minimised the risk to our servicemen/women.
While the government is busy wasting taxes payers money on dropping bombs on daesh, ISIS in daseh are no longer there as they have moved to another town where they are in contact with home grown ISIS supporters in Europe planning more mass shooting across europe.
Daesh isn't a place. Daesh *is* ISIS.
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Irrelevant.
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Why has the current bombing in Syria failed to stop things like this happening?
One death reported so far, but this may not be the right thread as there's been no claim / confirmation of who's behind it. It might just as well be in the Turkey / Russia thread.
Parts of it are not controlled by Syria and such should have no bearing. Some bits are under total Isis control.
Commenting Corbyn as well of lots of other errors was talking rubbish earlier today.
Probably because those that performed this are within turkey already?
It takes time to eradicate the clandestine forces within a country.
It's likely to be either the Kurds or someone else that blames it on the kurds.
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So bombing wont help against the ones already in the UK and rest of Europe.....
No. It's perfectly relevant if you're trying to make a point about bombing a group of people to not look like an idiot by assuming it's a place and that the government are "wasting tax payers money" bombing those people because "they are not there any more."
It's very relevant. they don't just attack and move on, they are taking the areas over. Sloughing the locals I. the thousands, raping the women in the thousands and forcing the locals to pay huge amounts of tax to them on threat of death. They in effect have a very large country now.
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what you said makes his statement even more irrelevant....
what nonsense are you sprouting, it makes your point stupid.
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I think you're attempting to tie the action UK take in syria with the result that it prevents attacks here in the UK?
Unfortunately that doesn't work as it is based in logic not illogical belief that everyone on the planet should bow down to their calaeph.
So the problem would still exist.
Weakening their ability to use force means people have the chance to be free of that oppression.
It won't stop something like this as it's probably the PKK, so a conflict between Turkey and various Kurdish insurgent groups which has been going on for forty years.