ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

Danthus · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:58

Freakbro said:
Well, I have to say, Phillip Hammond is saying the right things

He just said the are not voting on "going to war".

Er ok mate.

Danthus · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:58

Hilary Benn was outstanding.

Freakbro · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:59

OldCoals said:
He just said the are not voting on "going to war".

Er ok mate.

95% of what he's saying then

Danthus · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:00

Freakbro said:
95% of what he's saying then

Devlish · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:01

OldCoals said:
He just said the are not voting on "going to war".

Er ok mate.

We are doing the same thing in Iraq, so either we are 'going on some more to war' or were not at war at all.

Firestar_3x · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:03

OldCoals said:
He just said the are not voting on "going to war".

Er ok mate.

They are voting on an amendment, we have already voted to go to war

Merlin5 · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:05

I don't understand this MPs voting on amendment to block syria action. What's the difference between that and the main government vote?

Coolasmoo · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:05

Lets go bombing

Uther · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:06

What's the next highest threat level we can go to? I suspect we'll be on that tomorrow.

Uther · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:07

Coolasmoo said:
Lets go bombing

Yeah we'll not be the only ones saying that tonight...

Devlish · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:07

Uther said:
What's the next highest threat level we can go to? I suspect we'll be on that tomorrow.

haha, when they can get people in place, and they have been trying their hardest, they'll hit. Us bombing them is not going to make that easier to do, the whole point is its meant to be harder!

Freakbro · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:11

amigafan2003 said:
His father will be turning in his grave.

Maybe on the basis, but not on the passion and belief in which he delivered his views

That was a masterful speech

Danthus · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:11

Firestar_3x said:
They are voting on an amendment, we have already voted to go to war

Pretty sure that vote on that after the amendment.

Freakbro · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:13

OldCoals said:
Pretty sure that vote on that after the amendment.

It's a foregone conclusion though

awaybreaktoday · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:14

Felon · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:16

CLEAR THE LOBBY!

looks like the Tornados will be rolling shortly..

Danthus · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:17

Screeeech said:
CLEAR THE LOBBY!

looks like the Tornados will be rolling shortly..

Job done then, the world we be safe.

GreatAuk · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:20

Freakbro said:
Yea, I'm just watching Hillary Benn at the minute and it is a good speech, but from what he said I would say it's because of the iraqi army, supported by our airstrikes, why the tide is turning.

But it looks like we won't have the same support of boots on the ground from the loosely defined FSA in Syria and as such am dubious of its efficacy

Yes, that was my perception as well - it seems to me that Iraq and Syria are very different situations in terms of what ground support can be expected, and who that ground support will be coming from.

In Iraq it seems relatively clear that if IS loses ground then the Iraqi government will gain ground, which I think most people see as a good thing (at least, compared to the alternatives). However, in Syria it seems anything BUT clear cut* which side will benefit if IS is beaten back, not to mention that fact that there isn't even any consesnsus on which side our government actually want to win! People have joked about just nuking the whole country, but to be honest bombing IS without any real long term plan seems only marginally less misguided to me.

*Then again, maybe our super duper intelligence services who brought us great nuggets like Iraq's WMDs have a crystal clear understanding of how it will all pan out.

Freakbro · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:22

OldCoals said:
Job done then, the world we be safe.

It wasn't safe before, it's not safe after.

MrMoonX · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:23

Bombing has never worked, I give it three days until the raf bomb a hospital, school or wedding party