ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

NickK said:
You are aware politics and the world is a dynamic place that changes over time?
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You are aware you are talking about politicians right...

Devlish said:
Edit - lol just re-read your post. If you cannot tell the difference between ISIS and the rebels that really is Syria 101. You can't just go lumping all muslims as ISIS.
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Stop believing lies, the rebellion itself was a farce and I somehow, I don't think he meant all Muslims when saying rebels.

We aren't bombing Isis for our protection, that just happens to be nicely connected to the regime change we said we'd STOP DOING.
 
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Mynight said:
While he has some good points I await Stockholm syndrome being used to counter his opinion.
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He does make some good points, about how we should have intervened against Assad a lot earlier. But the reality is that now, Russia is so deep with Assad that the two cannot be separated. So attacking Assad would be essentially attacking Russia. It is far too late for that now. Best chance is Vienna and a ceasefire in place.

The prophecy thing is right, but they want the 'Roman Army' and we sure as hell wont be putting boots on the ground, so they can go choke on Brimstones there. I remember reading somewhere that a turkish army also counts.

The no-fly zone thing is bizarre as that would benefit ISIS, stopping the coalition bombing them, stopping the russians bombing them and the rebels and stopping assad bombing the rebels. That would be ideal for ISIS as they have no air force and could then rampage in the 4 by 4s. Besides, whose going to tell Russia?
 
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zoomee said:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/02/nicolas-henin-video-isis-syria-strikes
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Engaging with Syrians, not bombing them, was the surest way to bring about the collapse of Isis, he said.
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Terminology here is interesting.

And you wonder why the west is so public about pinpoint accuracy? Targeting extremists not the average Syrian is what the west is attempting todo.

The west have engaged with Syrians, Syrians are not the extremists that are causing the civil war.

The point I think he is making is that Syrians want to be able to choose their own path. Which I think 90% of the western world want (the 10% are involved in the politics).

Those that are willing to fight have formed groups and war.

Those that aren't have fled as refugees.

I see the desire by ISIS for the western government to be see to be arming the oppositions groups:
a) by over running the group results in military hardware for ISIS
b) by propaganda ISIS will declaring the other group as members of the infidels.

The problem is if you deliver value into a war zone, it becomes an asset for capture and then subsequent reuse against you.

His statement support a view that ISIS is the lesser of the two evils (Assad vs ISIS). However the point remains that ISIS's own ideology is to convert or kill. Hence the execution pits of bodies.

ISIS started the war. ISIS dragged all the states into it. ISIS want everyone else dead, urging people to kill innocents. Yes there's a load of politics in the region but ISIS's first port of call was a call to arms - that is not attempting diplomacy, respect or a sign of a willingness to compromise.

If ISIS want everyone to engage the Syrians they wouldn't be taking the course of action they are progressing now. All comes down to their leadership.
 
Devlish said:
He does make some good points, about how we should have intervened against Assad a lot earlier. But the reality is that now, Russia is so deep with Assad that the two cannot be separated. So attacking Assad would be essentially attacking Russia. It is far too late for that now. Best chance is Vienna and a ceasefire in place.

The prophecy thing is right, but they want the 'Roman Army' and we sure as hell wont be putting boots on the ground, so they can go choke on Brimstones there. I remember reading somewhere that a turkish army also counts.

The no-fly zone thing is bizarre as that would benefit ISIS, stopping the coalition bombing them, stopping the russians bombing them and the rebels and stopping assad bombing the rebels. That would be ideal for ISIS as they have no air force and could then rampage in the 4 by 4s. Besides, whose going to tell Russia?
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Agreed - ceasing operations simply allows ISIS to regroup and to consider their forward progress. Also air operations provide intel - that intel is obviously effective.

I think he's passing on comments as a passive sympathy often occurs between captives and their captors.. Could be his comments are for other people's ears..
 
Devlish said:
A lot of people say this, but oppose bombing, as though its the opposite of 'something being done'.

Simple fact is bombing is what is being done to hold ISIS in place and make their life difficult, along with the Vienna peace talks, engaging Russia to sort out Assad and stop the civil war.
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i don't mean about this "war" we are in at the moment. i mean the problem with the ME ****hole that turns out a terrorist organization or evil dictatorship every couple of years.

i understand what they are doing at the moment. i'm chatting about a long term reprogramming of ideologies and social norms in the ME to rid us of this regressive resource and life sucking entity.
 
stuman said:
i understand what they are doing at the moment. i'm chatting about a long term reprogramming of ideologies and social norms in the ME to rid us of this regressive resource and life sucking entity.
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Perhaps we should drop love bombs over the entire middle east. :eek: :D

I think it's driven by intolerance. When calm, repression/oppression creates this illusion, however just like the Arab spring it needs to rebalance, however how can you have balance if there is only intolerance and no compromise?
 
Mickie said:
Dead kids used as propoganda
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Firstly, I hope you get banned for that.

Secondly, those are mostly likely casualties from Assads bombing, you know, the same bombing you have ignored for three years, until the opportunity arises to use the pictures of the victims so you can try and persuade everyone to carry on ignoring their plight and bury their head in the sand so that assad can kill some more of them. Tough on you, that didnt happen.

I can barely believe you are actually using their pictures to try and persuade us to leave things alone so more of them will die. For that reason, you are the kind of person who gets all excited by pics of dead kids, you sicko.
 
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