ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

[John40]

No they won't, that only happens in the wet dreams of the people who dream of the collapse of the liberal democracy such as the terrorists.. or yourself.

When the bombs started falling in WW2 it was massive news but it soon became mundane when it was day after day. People went about their lives and just put up with it.

To try and infer that if we're getting bombed and shot at on a very regular basis the news media will cover it with the same intensity as when we have one very year or so is ridiculous.

 

[Rybo89]

Poor dog . Apparantly it was sent up to assess the situation first.

Wth woof per suspect?

Camera'ed up.

 

[Mynight]

Camera'ed up.

. Back to bed I think .

 

[kiteloopy]

One of my old contracts stipulated I had to use at least a certain level of encryption. Would the future law prevent me from accepting such a contract .

off track.

No, it will mean that the encryption you would need to use would be authorised/deemed acceptable by CESG.

back on track.

 

[new boy]

Really impressed they managed to bring so many in alive.

Lets see what intelligence a little waterboarding can reveal.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

You are the one who applies that logic all the time, us vs them. The 'true Brits' vs Romanians, Poles, Bulgarians, Muslims etc. You're very similar to the people who worry you.

Romanians, Poles and Bulgarians are a different issue. They are foreign nationals. I don't even think they would disagree that they are a separate people, or else they'd call themselves British.

If I was a British born Muslims however, surely it would be in my best interests to regard myself as British? I was born here and as a minority I need to build bridges between myself and the majority for my own security. But many Muslims have no desire in doing that. They actively discriminate between themselves and everyone else. They regard themselves as a separate people.

Not that I know why I try to debate you. You'll revert to the usual "racist" crap rather than debating a point.

 

[One More Solo]

Really impressed they managed to bring so many in alive.

Lets see what intelligence a little waterboarding can reveal.

Not much, according to the CIA.

 

[Mynight]

They're killing in the name of religion I doubt there's much intelligence to be displayed.

off track.

No, it will mean that the encryption you would need to use would be authorised/deemed acceptable by CESG.

back on track.

Cheers. Figured there would be a way.

 

[Cosimo]

Being reported that the female suicide bomber was a relative of Abdelhamid Abaaoud. Hope what they've found brings lots more intelligence.

 

[Delvis]

Where are you reading out of interest?

 

[Skunkworks]

I was thinking about the Paris attacks and how they tried to get into the football stadium. If they were trying to get at the president wouldn’t it have been easier to attach some explosives to a drone and fly over the stadium and then straight into the president and detonate it? Wouldn’t take much explosives if the drone was flown right into him.

 

[thenewoc]

Being reported that the female suicide bomber was a relative of Abdelhamid Abaaoud. Hope what they've found brings lots more intelligence.

Hoping this last one didn't escape across a roof top or something. Seemed to be some confusion when a group of officers went off down a different street. Hope he hasn't slipped the net.

 

[Kimi]

Thought the same myself about a drone

 

[jsmoke]

I was thinking about the Paris attacks and how they tried to get into the football stadium. If they were trying to get at the president wouldn’t it have been easier to attach some explosives to a drone and fly over the stadium and then straight into the president and detonate it? Wouldn’t take much explosives if the drone was flown right into him.

Would they not be in the VIP box, sounds a pretty fanciful idea, somebody would spot it surely.

 

[NexusK]

I doubt very much the president would have been the target of that, more likely they just wanted in to cause maximum casualties from a tightly packed crowd.

 

[NickK]

Thought the same myself about a drone

Actually a fast terminal decent glider would be more effective and silent. Not that I want to give anyone ideas. Drones are noisy, if you want the element of surprise stealth and/or speed. Speed of drones are quick but not as quick as a rocket propelled device.

I suspect that sooner or later state security services will include mobile done radar and ECM, possibly even something like an air screen that sends a immense curtain of air (and shockwave, possible a detonated ECM device) up in front to protect.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

They'd need a pretty large drone to carry the payload, then they'd need to get it within 2 or so meters of the President to even be sure of injuring him, never mind killing. That is no easy task.

If you look at most of the recent terrorist attacks (2001+) you'll see bombs are not really the way to go. The Boston bomb for example only killed six people. Even the 7/7 bombs had a relatively low number of fatalities compared to Paris, Mumbai etc.

 

[jsmoke]

Actually a fast terminal decent glider would be more effective and silent. Not that I want to give anyone ideas. Drones are noisy, if you want the element of surprise stealth and/or speed. Speed of drones are quick but not as quick as a rocket propelled device.

I suspect that sooner or later state security services will include mobile done radar and ECM, possibly even something like an air screen that sends a immense curtain of air (and shockwave, possible a detonated ECM device) up in front to protect.

Like an air sweeper in Clash of Clans, we will end up with Tesla tower, inferno towers, air mines...

 

[Judgeneo]

Once you realise that ISIL basically wants to create WWIII and die in some sort of last stand against foreign powers, it becomes quite hard to figure out what to do with them.

The west, or the Russian coalition, or a Saudi-led group all have enough power on their own to defeat ISIL. The reason why it hasn't been done is no-one really know on what to do next, nevermind being able to agree with the other groups that want them defeated.

So really, this is a diplomatic issue with other foreign powers that we haven't been able to agree with for decades.

If that is thier attitude i would deport everyone but the Chinese, Who have not really annoyed anyone abroad in their Thousand year plus history.

5000 year + history They're as old as any middle eastern civilisation.

That said the main reason they haven't really annoyed anyone "abroad" is because they have for the most part been too busy fighting themselves to keep control of their vast and diverse country. China hasn't been truly unified for most of their history. They also really hate the Japs, and popular opinion in the mainland would love a war against them.

Makes them about as warmongering and tolerant as the rest of the world in my book.

They are much more polite though, as their culture places a lot of emphasis on maintaining face and not being openly rude or aggressive
towards others. But thats somewhat off-topic here

 

[Rroff]

Actually a fast terminal decent glider would be more effective and silent. Not that I want to give anyone ideas. Drones are noisy, if you want the element of surprise stealth and/or speed. Speed of drones are quick but not as quick as a rocket propelled device.

I suspect that sooner or later state security services will include mobile done radar and ECM, possibly even something like an air screen that sends a immense curtain of air (and shockwave, possible a detonated ECM device) up in front to protect.

The US already have a sophisticated suite of electronic counter-measures in support of the president's movements (for convoys, etc.) I believe they also have the ability to detect drones though no idea if they have the capabilities to shoot them down specifically (by either kinetic or electronic counter-measures).