ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

That dog will deserves an oscar, for such an authentic, heart-wrenching, performance.

Kay Burleigh could just see it where others can't. Respect.
 
You've got to admit Kay Burleigh was probably top of the class at the Ron Burgundy school of journalism, and would have won the Damien Day award for reporting if only she'd used a doll rather than a dog.
 
It totally boggles my mind.

The conspiracy stuff occasionally makes sense, or makes me question things a little. Until people come out with stuff that the dead people are actors, then everything becomes laughable.

So you find hundreds of actors. Pay them to keep quiet. Pretend kill them. Pretend honour them. Pay to keep them happy in Mauritius. Pretend cctv footage...

Or alternatively you arm and pay a handful of nutters, you set them free on a city, you video genuine fear, death and suffering and get the result you are after. Minus maintaining some elaborate tale of crap.

Which conspiracy is more likely Manoz?


Unfortunately it is the manifestation of exactly what I explained earlier. Puppets such as Alex Jones are there to take the conspiracy tangents to full retard levels. Then what happens is it makes people remain in a constant state of conflict and bickering about utter nonsense like chemtrails and 9/11 and all that horse ****.

Manoz, you are somewhat deluded mate believe me. In the last 5 years psychoanalytical data has become so precise that terror attacks don't even need to be staged, not that they have ever been staged.

Perhaps it might have been an idea at some point to stage terror attacks but due to the successes of programs such as the Minerva initiative it's becoming obsolete and dangerous to do so. It's not exactly hard to accomplish the prime objective of keeping the populace divided with the amount of behaviour/psychology and every other form of data imaginable. Not to mention the countless challenges faced with actually staging a terrorist attack.

I suggest people read up about the power of suggestion, neurolinguistic programming, media psychology, etc.

In fact what's the point even trying. I already know it's futile. Most people have absolutely no idea of, nor actually care for what's really happening.
 
Counter conspiracy theories with slightly less absurd ones?

Well no I'm not conspiring anything. It takes 5 minutes of watching the BBC news at 10 with an understanding of media psychology to realise the amount of suggestion and NLP contained within in the masterfully constructed sentences. That's all I'm saying. It's not a theory to analyse the news and the effect it has on various psyches.

You see when an individual inclined toward terror hears certain words, it is processed in completely different way to some guy watching the news with his grandchildren and a cup of tea. Mass media is never careful with what it says, it causes more ignorance, conflict, division, and definitely 100% more terror.

I'm not saying 9/11 was an inside job. I'm saying the way the media reports things is a catalyst to the inevitable self destruction of humanity.

If you want evidence of this look at the time when they tried to normalise/desensitise people to paedophilia by publishing that it's "normal and healthy behaviour". Then two days later they publish an article glorifying vigilante paedophile killers.
 
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Can we pull this back on topic please? I don't believe accusing the media of championing paedophilia to be hugely related to terror attacks and Daesh in particular.
 
This is one of those threads that makes you lose your faith in humanity.

Does Manoz realise just how insanely impossible it is for those Paris attacks to be faked by using actors that didn't actually die?!!? Literally almost everyone in the whole of Paris would have had to have been in on it.
 
Can we pull this back on topic please? I don't believe accusing the media of championing paedophilia to be hugely related to terror attacks and Daesh in particular.

Sure, but I'm not actually discussing media publications of pro-paedophilia propaganda and parallel promotion of anti-paedophilia vigilantism to keep specific parts of society in a constant state of conflict.

Because I claimed that the media nurtures terrorism, I also had to prove the true nature of media which is to divide the populace, and because I said the media divides the populace by creating conflict I was inclined to evidence specific articles which promote and anti-promote a specific thing to create conflict, in this case it was paedophilia.

It was just an example of the destructive nature of the media by evidencing specifically how the media keeps certain parts of society in conflict by promoting one thing one day, then promoting the "anti" version of that particular thing the next day.

Furthermore, it's scary how we can have dozens of pages of the most ridiculous conspiracy theory crap ever posted, and 1 sentence mentioning a published example of exactly how the media creates conflict is understood to be taking things off topic?
 
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This is one of those threads that makes you lose your faith in humanity.

Does Manoz realise just how insanely impossible it is for those Paris attacks to be faked by using actors that didn't actually die?!!? Literally almost everyone in the whole of Paris would have had to have been in on it.

He's either got a reasonably serious drug problem, he's a triple A prize winning troll, or he's mentally very weak/borderline delusional.

Take your pick. :)
 
To imply that actors are used is so ridiculous
. If you were running such a crazy operation on inciting hatred and starting war, why would you use actors who could simply go public. Real people dying is far easier to explain.

I can't believe the delusional conspiracy theory ********. It makes zero sense.

It makes perfect sense, the Muslim terrorist shouting "Allahu Akbar" (god is great) while machine-gunning civilians isn't real, it's all acting, therefore the carnage has nothing to do with the religion.

Islamic State is a state of peace!

#NotAllISIS
 
Wouldnt it just actually be easier to just get some guys in masks and acrually shoot a bunch of people?

I mean come on for one you instantly avoid all this "the videos are fake...i known because they look nothing like gunfights in james bond!!" Stuff.

Plus its probbaly cheaper i mean bullets costs pennies massive cgi fake sets cost a fortune
 
It was just an example of the destructive nature of the media by evidencing specifically how the media keeps certain parts of society in conflict by promoting one thing one day, then promoting the "anti" version of that particular thing the next day.

Furthermore, it's scary how we can have dozens of pages of the most ridiculous conspiracy theory crap ever posted, and 1 sentence mentioning a published example of exactly how the media creates conflict is understood to be taking things off topic?

I think you and others that think a long the same lines are reading far too much into how the media operate.

You talk like they are some super organised non human organisation all clubbing together to destroy us all.

In reality the media are just boring ordinary people doing a day job.

Publishing one thing the other day and then the opposite the next is just stupid people being stupid.

Remember, never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
 
This is one of those threads that makes you lose your faith in humanity.

Does Manoz realise just how insanely impossible it is for those Paris attacks to be faked by using actors that didn't actually die?!!? Literally almost everyone in the whole of Paris would have had to have been in on it.

As someone mentioned a couple of pages back (EDIT: And Tefal just posted) or so the problem with staging something that big is the stakes if even one of the actors talks - which means you are gonna have to kill em all off once its over anyhow - so its actually less of a risk to get a small number of people to go actually commit the incident than stage it.

If you assume someone was in a relative position of power and had some willing helpers who wouldn't talk though I don't think its impossible to stage an event like that without half the city having to be in on it - months in advance invent a counter-terrorism unit who can take over the scene and stop regular law enforcement getting too close and afterwards misdirect medical examiners etc. so they don't realise the bodies were pulled out of some 3rd world morgue, buy up or resurrect a cafe and start injecting the actors into the regular crowd weeks or months before and then use them to control the scene on the day so that regulars don't get to look too closely at the people "injured", etc. - most people if someone fired a gun in their direction (blanks) and thought the bullets were hitting around them (pre-planted squibs) would be incredibly panicked and not examining what was going on around them too closely - 9 out of 10 people in that situation just follow the crowd as well so fairly easy to get them to all head out a back door, etc. to "safety".

Personally though I think its incredibly unlikely while "possible" - these days with so much digital documentation even stuff like google street view could screw them over.
 
As someone mentioned a couple of pages back (EDIT: And Tefal just posted) or so the problem with staging something that big is the stakes if even one of the actors talks - which means you are gonna have to kill em all off once its over anyhow - so its actually less of a risk to get a small number of people to go actually commit the incident than stage it.

If you assume someone was in a relative position of power and had some willing helpers who wouldn't talk though I don't think its impossible to stage an event like that without half the city having to be in on it - months in advance invent a counter-terrorism unit who can take over the scene and stop regular law enforcement getting too close and afterwards misdirect medical examiners etc. so they don't realise the bodies were pulled out of some 3rd world morgue, buy up or resurrect a cafe and start injecting the actors into the regular crowd weeks or months before and then use them to control the scene on the day so that regulars don't get to look too closely at the people "injured", etc. - most people if someone fired a gun in their direction (blanks) and thought the bullets were hitting around them (pre-planted squibs) would be incredibly panicked and not examining what was going on around them too closely - 9 out of 10 people in that situation just follow the crowd as well so fairly easy to get them to all head out a back door, etc. to "safety".

Personally though I think its incredibly unlikely while "possible" - these days with so much digital documentation even stuff like google street view could screw them over.

Whilst this is a more likely scenario than the old green screen suggestion, it's still at the upper end of ludicrous when you look at it from a logistical point of view. How many people would need to be involved? Off the top of my head; numerous security agencies, probably politicians, the terrorists themselves, potentially some kind of media, possibly the police (you'd want to ensure that all of the terrorists ended up dead). Still a logistical nightmare.

The best way to handle it would surely be to just "drop the ball" on an active plot.

Just for the record I don't buy in to any of this, Kennedy was definitely assassinated by Elvis though, that happened.
 
Several pages entertaining the idea that the attacks were faked. My god. What is wrong with you people? Just ignore the paranoid delusional.
 
Whilst this is a more likely scenario than the old green screen suggestion, it's still at the upper end of ludicrous when you look at it from a logistical point of view. How many people would need to be involved? Off the top of my head; numerous security agencies, probably politicians, the terrorists themselves, potentially some kind of media, possibly the police (you'd want to ensure that all of the terrorists ended up dead). Still a logistical nightmare.

The best way to handle it would surely be to just "drop the ball" on an active plot.

Just for the record I don't buy in to any of this, Kennedy was definitely assassinated by Elvis though, that happened.

Yeah I don't buy it with the stakes being so high - I don't think its so impossible (if you assume its a conspiracy perpetrated by the "elite"/top of government) to fake it and probably get away with it as people think - but to fake it and be certain you will get away with it is far far harder.
 
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We know somebody who was at the Bataclan and lived to come back home..and to be honest people like Manoz sicken me as they just trivialise and belittle what happened. They pretend to be clever and call people dumb for not being 'in the know' , but fail to grasp how completely such events change peoples lives

empty people with no empathy trying to impress people they dont know on the internet, just to give the impression they are somehow better than the rest of us by living in a fantasy world.

What was your friends experience if you don't mind me asking?
 
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