Islam and Liver disease

Orionaut · 31 May 2019 at 20:08

Now, I have just done a quick google and nothing of any real interest turned up so I an now turning to OCUK-GD for answers (Always a good option, especially on a Friday Night! :cool:

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The question that popped into my mind is this.

We are told that one of the main (If not THE main) causes of chronic Liver disease is excessive alcohol consumption.

If this is indeed the case, I would expect that those who live in cultures that essentially forbid alcohol consumption would not experiance this.

So, Do Muslims/Muslim-countries experience significantly lower incidences of chronic liver disease, and if so, can this actually be tied directly to the fact that they do not consume Alcohol (Or at least, only consume very little compared to other cultures/countries

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Over to you!

robfosters · 31 May 2019 at 20:19

And the award for most random thread of the year in 2019 goes to........

Vexr · 31 May 2019 at 20:19

Full article here: https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-014-0145-y

Speed Googlefu FTW, I've literally read nothing on this subject except for the OP's post 2 mins ago.

Edit: Uploaded picture to imgur to avoid problems.

Orionaut · 31 May 2019 at 20:21

robfosters said:
And the award for most random thread of the year in 2019 goes to........

Random maybe, But I would like to know the answer.

robfosters · 31 May 2019 at 20:26

Mortality is low in places like the us, uk and Japan, but that’s probably down to the high standards of medical care in those countries. Islamic countries is probably low due to religion.

Funnily enough, I found out Wednesday that I have cirrhosis.

Orionaut · 31 May 2019 at 20:35

Vexr said:
Age-adjusted liver cirrhosis mortality (per 100,000) for both sexes in 2010.

Full article here: https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-014-0145-y

Speed Googlefu FTW, I've literally read nothing on this subject except for the OP's post 2 mins ago.

Now, that's what I am talking about

. And is rather interesting. The analysis could actually be quite complex. (IE not Just culture/religion, but also a possible long standing genetic thing too)

It would be interesting to see the incidence of cirrhosis compared with the actual levels of alcohol consumption by region/country too.

(Damn, I hate colour charts though. Being R/G colour blind sucks

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As for Google. Somehow I never manage to incant the precise cabalistic chant required to get he answer I am looking for.

I mean, I ask (something like) "How to replace cabin filter on 1998 BMW E36 coupe" (How more specific can I be really)

And end up with (Something like) a million links to replacing starter motors on ford transits or skimpy underwear emporiums.

:confused:

FBi7 · 31 May 2019 at 20:37

Not scientifically proven, but.....

My old man worked in the Middle East a lot in the late 70s/early 80s. He wasn't killing queen wasps or the like.

One of his observations was the sheer number of Arabs that, would shortly after takeoff from anywhere on the Middle East, change into western clothing and order alcoholic drinks on the plane.

Dis86 · 31 May 2019 at 20:41

FBi7 said:
Not scientifically proven, but.....

My old man worked in the Middle East a lot in the late 70s/early 80s. He wasn't killing queen wasps or the like.

One of his observations was the sheer number of Arabs that, would shortly after takeoff from anywhere on the Middle East, change into western clothing and order alcoholic drinks on the plane.

I've had the exact same experience. There was also an expectation that when they came to the UK for meetings that the entertainment provided would typically be sessions in lap-dancing clubs.
What I did find hilarious was that they all still abstained from eating pork.

Vexr · 31 May 2019 at 20:42

Orionaut said:
Now, that's what I am talking about . And is rather interesting. The analysis could actually be quite complex. (IE not Just culture/religion, but also a possible long standing genetic thing too)

It would be interesting to see the incidence of cirrhosis compared with the actual levels of alcohol consumption by region/country too.

(Damn, I hate colour charts though. Being R/G colour blind sucks )

As for Google. Somehow I never manage to incant the precise cabalistic chant required to get he answer I am looking for.

I mean, I ask (something like) "How to replace cabin filter on 1998 BMW E36 coupe" (How more specific can I be really)

And end up with (Something like) a million links to replacing starter motors on ford transits or skimpy underwear emporiums.

I skipped liver disease/alcohol and just went straight for cirrhosis, and got lucky it seems with a juicy article and colour coded world map.

I reckon a lot of cirrhosis on the African continent is due to hepatitis, what with it being an STD and all and the problems had there with HIV. More complication needing further analysis.

robfosters said:
Funnily enough, I found out Wednesday that I have cirrhosis.

Really sorry to hear that. Hope it's merely bevvy induced and you're good to quit now anyway, suffering no lasting effects. Wouldn't be surprised if I had something similar TBH, definitely overdone it more than I should have.

robfosters · 31 May 2019 at 20:45

Vexr said:
I skipped liver disease/alcohol and just went straight for cirrhosis, and got lucky it seems with a juicy article and colour coded world map.

I reckon a lot of cirrhosis on the African continent is due to hepatitis, what with it being an STD and all and the problems had there with HIV. More complication needing further analysis.

Really sorry to hear that. Hope it's merely bevvy induced and you're good to quit now anyway, suffering no lasting effects. Wouldn't be surprised if I had something similar TBH, definitely overdone it more than I should have.

No, it’s down to my heart condition. Too much liver congestion through poor pump function. Needed a heart transplant, will now probably have to be combined heart and liver.

paradigm · 31 May 2019 at 20:54

Orionaut said:
As for Google. Somehow I never manage to incant the precise cabalistic chant required to get he answer I am looking for.

I mean, I ask (something like) "How to replace cabin filter on 1998 BMW E36 coupe" (How more specific can I be really)

The issue here is that you are treating google like a human library assistant, rather than the keyword linking algorithm it is.

I’ve not tried this search, but I imagine that ‘BMW E36 “cabin filter” DIY’ would be a better search term. Encapsulating the “Cabin Filter” in quotes to a) ensure it is not excluded from results and b) searched as an entire string to avoid random other filters from being included in the results.

Googling is an art, but focussing on keywords is the biggest part of it!

Vexr · 31 May 2019 at 20:55

robfosters said:
No, it’s down to my heart condition. Too much liver congestion through poor pump function. Needed a heart transplant, will now probably have to be combined heart and liver.

Definitely sounds like you'd be more deserving of a transplant than I would be at this moment in time. I hope you're in good hands and fully eligible to be put on the list for a potential transplant/s without hesitation, if that's what's indicated. Thank goodness for the NHS and hope the waiting lists won't be too extreme.

new boy · 31 May 2019 at 21:06

Dis86 said:
What I did find hilarious was that they all still abstained from eating pork.

Sounds logical to me. If I was in a country where they were eating guinea pig or dog, I'd probably give it a miss as it's not what I'm used to.

Orionaut · 31 May 2019 at 21:38

paradigm said:
The issue here is that you are treating google like a human library assistant, rather than the keyword linking algorithm it is.

I’ve not tried this search, but I imagine that ‘BMW E36 “cabin filter” DIY’ would be a better search term. Encapsulating the “Cabin Filter” in quotes to a) ensure it is not excluded from results and b) searched as an entire string to avoid random other filters from being included in the results.

Googling is an art, but focusing on keywords is the biggest part of it!

No, the issue here is that (As I mentioned in another thread) I am dyslexic.

This means that my visual/spacial skills are off the chart (My particular ability is machines and manual skills#), but my verbal skills suck. (Speech not so much, but written word, both reading and writing. Yes)

I loathe internet shopping with a vengeance. It takes me ages to drill down to what I actually want on-line. I always ask companies for a paper catalog if it is available.

Give me an old school catalog, even if it is a two inches thick Argos one, and I can "Fan" my way to what I want in, literally, seconds.

On-line takes bloody ages :mad:

I could brag about this later!

. But seriously, without wanting to brag at all I (and my "Real World" friends ) have always been amazed at the dramatic contradictions between what i am good at and what I am not good at! there was another thread recently regarding "Are you the smartest person you know" Within my "real world" associates everybody else probabally thinks that I am, and yet I have massive failings. beyond my instinctive ability for machines and manual skills I am essentially functionally illiterate and the people that I know really find this contradiction hard to comprehend (As do I) :/

Nasher · 31 May 2019 at 21:40

Heart and other genetic issues are pretty rife in middle eastern/Islamic populations. Kinda expected with people marrying family members.

Bassmansam · 31 May 2019 at 21:46

Mmm alcohol isn’t the only cause of liver disease. Bad diet and being overweight can cause it as well.

diamount · 31 May 2019 at 21:50

Bassmansam said:
Mmm alcohol isn’t the only cause of liver disease. Bad diet and being overweight can cause it as well.

Which is fast becoming a leading killer in the middle east, we import their oil and they import our mcdonalds.

Nasher · 31 May 2019 at 21:51

We kill the planet and they kill themselves

Vexr · 31 May 2019 at 23:49

Orionaut said:
No, the issue here is that (As I mentioned in another thread) I am dyslexic.

This means that my visual/spacial skills are off the chart (My particular ability is machines and manual skills#), but my verbal skills suck. (Speech not so much, but written word, both reading and writing. Yes)

I loathe internet shopping with a vengeance. It takes me ages to drill down to what I actually want on-line. I always ask companies for a paper catalog if it is available.

Give me an old school catalog, even if it is a two inches thick Argos one, and I can "Fan" my way to what I want in, literally, seconds.

On-line takes bloody ages

I could brag about this later! . But seriously, without wanting to brag at all I (and my "Real World" friends ) have always been amazed at the dramatic contradictions between what i am good at and what I am not good at! there was another thread recently regarding "Are you the smartest person you know" Within my "real world" associates everybody else probabally thinks that I am, and yet I have massive failings. beyond my instinctive ability for machines and manual skills I am essentially functionally illiterate and the people that I know really find this contradiction hard to comprehend (As do I) :/

Functionally illiterate? STFU

You made this thread in a perfectly legible and understandable manner, then someone criticised for not being google-fu enough.

You've made an interesting point here. I'd be interested to see a definitive analysis. Maybe the more alcohol drinking nations will be vindicated on the world stage in terms of liver disease, though I doubt it.

d_brennen · 1 Jun 2019 at 00:07

Vexr said:
Maybe the more alcohol drinking nations will be vindicated on the world stage in terms of liver disease, though I doubt it.

Talking strictly mortality though, in the west you have all the healthcare you want/can afford. Having kids with your cousins for generations can't help with hereditary conditions, like pedigree dogs.

Wonder what the mortality rate of being an apostate in civilised countries versus the Islamic ones?