Islam4UK

Fenris · 12 Jan 2010 at 20:10

Too bloody right.

Sickening people using a countries own rights against it for no other purpose than to remove them entirely.

vonhelmet said:
Hate speech is illegal, yo.

Organisations that practise and promote hate speech can be banned.

Free speech? Sure, if you like. Freedom from consequences? No. That has never existed and never will.

+1

Barks · 12 Jan 2010 at 20:38

I was amazed to read this.

I thought our Government did nothing but embrace Islam and Islamic ways at the cost of the indigenous population.

Ross1234 · 12 Jan 2010 at 20:42

scott212 said:
I was amazed to read this.

I thought our Government did nothing but embrace Islam and Islamic ways at the cost of the indigenous population.

"Islam4UK" do not represent the views of the majority of Muslims. They are a fringe group of Muslims like the BNP are a fringe group not representing the views of the majority.

dirtydog · 12 Jan 2010 at 20:43

scott212 said:
I was amazed to read this.

I thought our Government did nothing but embrace Islam and Islamic ways at the cost of the indigenous population.

There's an election coming up.

They don't want the failure of their multiculturalism policy paraded on the news every night, better to ban and sweep it under the carpet.

lemonkettaz · 12 Jan 2010 at 20:44

UK will be islam...

freedom goto hell!

Says it all.

borich_planner · 12 Jan 2010 at 20:49

Islam 4 UK has been contacted by authorities to (force) shut down its operations, we stress this domain name will no longer be used by us, but the struggle for Khilafah will continue regardless of what the disbelievers plot against the Muslims. It is the duty of all Muslims to rise up and call for the Khilafah wherever they may be.
The Prophet (saw) said: "I have nothing to do with a people (Muslims) who live with the disbelivers and do not command the good(call to shariah) and forbid the evil(expose and undermine that which is other than Islam)."

Borich

timmothy · 12 Jan 2010 at 20:59

Vampire said:
I know what you're getting at, but is Manchester Road that bad now? I don't go there often at night (I live on the edge of town) but I'm sure I'd feel safer walking around there than for example some of the areas where chav gangs hang around.

You've got me thinking now, I used to go there to buy decent Indian cooking ingredients, I'll be annoyed if it's more terrorists than grocers there now.

It is pretty bad sometimes yes. It is not terrorists though

it is just ethnic minorities that are not that keen with white people in "their" neighbourhood at night. Still seems alright during the day though which is a good thing atleast.
I know what you mean about the chav areas, park north is a pretty scary place at night. The thing is park north and and other places like it have been bad for over 50 years, manchester road has only become bad because of the ethnic minorities that have moved in over the past few years.

fini · 12 Jan 2010 at 21:12

So we're banning opinions that we don't agree with now? These people do not agree with the current system so they formed a group to protest about it. Are we to ban all forms of protest or just protests with a small following?

If they were saying anything hateful then you can prosecute members. If they were saying anything racist then you can prosecute individual members. If they were plotting to blow up a bungalow then you can prosecute individual members. If they were encouraging terrorists then you can prosecute individual members. To the extent that they were not doing that, what, exactly, is the problem?

Yes, many think their beliefs are abhorrent, but if you believe banning their group will stop them from believing what they do then you're really creating a thought crime aren't you? If you don't, however, think it will change their opinion on anything then all you're stopping is the public protesting. Isn't public protest a good thing - doesn't it show democracy and liberal society in action?

Vonhelmet · 12 Jan 2010 at 21:25

fini said:
So we're banning opinions that we don't agree with now? These people do not agree with the current system so they formed a group to protest about it. Are we to ban all forms of protest or just protests with a small following?

I think we're banning people who preach hate and violence.

fini said:
If they were saying anything hateful then you can prosecute members. If they were saying anything racist then you can prosecute individual members. If they were plotting to blow up a bungalow then you can prosecute individual members. If they were encouraging terrorists then you can prosecute individual members. To the extent that they were not doing that, what, exactly, is the problem?

I'd hazard that it is markedly easier to prove that a group as a whole is deserving of banning than it is to prove an individual is deserving of prosecution.

fini said:
Yes, many think their beliefs are abhorrent, but if you believe banning their group will stop them from believing what they do then you're really creating a thought crime aren't you? If you don't, however, think it will change their opinion on anything then all you're stopping is the public protesting. Isn't public protest a good thing - doesn't it show democracy and liberal society in action?

They are free to have their opinion, but they are not free to troll the streets with it looking for trouble, which is what their group does.

Fenris · 12 Jan 2010 at 21:31

fini said:
So we're banning opinions that we don't agree with now?

I would agree that that would be unfair.

Apart from the fact that all this group wants is not simply a change of how a county is run, they want this country to be turned into a human rights free zone where everything from homosexuality, free speech, education that doesn't revolve around religion and their own propaganda would be ILLEGAL.

TipTop · 12 Jan 2010 at 21:34

Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons

More than half the population believe Britain is deeply divided along religious lines, according to an official survey.

A majority would also strongly oppose the development of a mosque in their neighbourhood, the research into social attitudes found.

Almost half - 45 per cent - say they do not believe that diversity has brought benefits to the country and that religious diversity has had a negative impact.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...que-built-area-finds-study.html#ixzz0cPj16k7D

Vonhelmet · 12 Jan 2010 at 21:34

Fenris said:
I would agree that that would be unfair.

Apart from the fact that all this group wants is not simply a change of how a county is run, they want this country to be turned into a human rights free zone where everything from homosexuality, free speech, education that doesn't revolve around religion and their own propaganda would be ILLEGAL.

Holding such a view is fine. Attempting to bring it in by force is not. Trolling those views in the face of people such as those mourning the loss of soldiers is definitely not.

n111ck · 12 Jan 2010 at 21:35

Is anyone else really, really bored of hearing about 'Islam', terrorism and all the pointless circular arguments that go with it?

Fenris · 12 Jan 2010 at 21:36

n111ck said:
Is anyone else really, really bored of hearing about 'Islam', terrorism and all the pointless circular arguments that go with it?

Oh you have no idea.

It's one of those things I wish I could just wake up one day and find out was all a dream.

dirtydog · 12 Jan 2010 at 21:37

vonhelmet said:
Holding such a view is fine. Attempting to bring it in by force is not. Trolling those views in the face of people such as those mourning the loss of soldiers is definitely not.

Yes but Islam 4 UK itself said that they would not do that, did they not? They said they would hold a peaceful protest on a different day.

dirtydog · 12 Jan 2010 at 21:38

n111ck said:
Is anyone else really, really bored of hearing about 'Islam', terrorism and all the pointless circular arguments that go with it?

A lot of things bore me - strictly come dancing, X Factor, Eastenders, various other rubbish people go on about in day to day life... Islam's spread in the UK is something that is rather more important than all of that.

Burnsy2023 · 12 Jan 2010 at 21:39

TipTop said:
Islam divides us, say the majority of Britons

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...que-built-area-finds-study.html#ixzz0cPj16k7D

The Daily Fail would say that.

dirtydog · 12 Jan 2010 at 21:40

Burnsy2023 said:
The Daily Fail would say that.

Eh? It's a government backed inquiry saying it - the Mail is just reporting it. Don't shoot the messenger.

n111ck · 12 Jan 2010 at 21:45

dirtydog said:
A lot of things bore me - strictly come dancing, X Factor, Eastenders, various other rubbish people go on about in day to day life... Islam's spread in the UK is something that is rather more important than all of that.

Its not spreading though is it? It just the fact that its in the papers all the time makes it seem that way.

Ross1234 · 12 Jan 2010 at 21:46

n111ck said:
Its not spreading though is it? It just the fact that its in the papers all the time makes it seem that way.

I think it is spreading. Not that I care that much.

Most are not strict muslims. Just like the general population might be categorised as christian but only gone to church a couple of times in their lives.

I get on fine with the muslims at my work.