Islamaphobia Legislation (UK)

Follows a religion which encourages the oppression of women, murder of homosexuals and death or enslavement of those from other faiths.
Cries over name calling.

Not saying anyone should be subject to abuse, racist or otherwise, but priorities and all that..
 
Follows a religion which encourages the oppression of women, murder of homosexuals and death or enslavement of those from other faiths.
Cries over name calling.

Not saying anyone should be subject to abuse, racist or otherwise, but priorities and all that..

How about you get your facts right and actually read the Quran and hadith.... can't believe how many people can have such a strong opinion with out even knowing the facts...
 
How about you get your facts right and actually read the Quran and hadith.... can't believe how many people can have such a strong opinion with out even knowing the facts...

I read some of it. It's mostly a list of stuff taken from the Torah and old testiment. Except with most of the context missing. So no surprise it gets interpreted a million different ways.

You'll find most people reading it from a neutral perspective come to the same conclusion.
 
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How about you get your facts right and actually read the Quran and hadith.... can't believe how many people can have such a strong opinion with out even knowing the facts...

The quotes are on this very forum for you to look at. They've been posted many times before.

Abu Dawud (4462) - The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, "Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Lot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done."

And don't forget the classic

"kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush."
 
Even if she was being a **** to her neighbours they used their religious beliefs as justification have the pigs removed. How is this not 'expecting compliance with their beliefs'?

As I've repeated over and over again in this thread — it's about context.
If they simply ‘expected compliance with their beliefs’, they would have demanded that pigs be removed when the first one appeared without the quote.

Based on the contents of the article (which is all we have to go on) the complaints didn’t appear until after the quote was added. This combination of pigs+quote creates a deliberately provocative message that is greater than the sum of its parts. It’s no longer simply about pigs being taboo in Islam, it’s now about someone going out of their way to be antagonistic.

Which is exactly the point I was making with my Liverpool analogy. However, it seems some people are only interested in defending freedom of speech when it allows them to critics a certain religion.

Anyway, I think we’ve gone way off topic form the OP over a flippant comment and I’m tired of repeating myself, so on this particular point at least, I’m out.
 
The quotes are on this very forum for you to look at. They've been posted many times before.

Abu Dawud (4462) - The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, "Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Lot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done."

And don't forget the classic

"kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush."


Like i said get your facts rights how about you go read quran and at least whole chapter instead of one sentence taken from a very big book....
 
How about you get your facts right and actually read the Quran and hadith.... can't believe how many people can have such a strong opinion with out even knowing the facts...
Facts are usually evidence-based, a search for truth if you like, something which religion manifestly doesn't care about especially when facts get in the way of doctrine or contradict scripture.

I'll leave this quote from Ayaan Hirsi Ali, an ex-Muslim who has been threatened with death for leaving Islam and daring to criticise it:
Now, when I assert that Islam is not a religion of peace I do not mean that Islamic belief makes Muslims naturally violent. This is manifestly not the case: there are many millions of peaceful Muslims in the world. What I do say is that the call to violence and the justification for it are explicitly stated in the sacred texts of Islam. Moreover, this theologically sanctioned violence is there to be activated by any number of offenses, including but not limited to apostasy, adultery, blasphemy, and even something as vague as threats to family honor or to the honor of Islam itself.

(Full article here: https://www.salon.com/abtest1/2015/04/04/islam_is_not_a_religion_of_peace_ayaan_hirsi_ali/)

If she's wrong about the Quran, prove it. Link us to the passages where Allah says "those bits where I told you adultery, apostasy, blasphemy and homosexuality were punishable by death, well I've changed my mind, ignore them".

Edit: actually, first of all prove Allah exists then I'll entertain the possibility that the Quran might have come from him.
 
Like i said get your facts rights how about you go read quran and at least whole chapter instead of one sentence taken from a very big book....

If a holy book contains a phrase along the lines of “kill everyone who doesn’t believe in me and/or doesn’t follow my rules”; I don’t really need to read another sentence to know that I’m not going to be a fan of those who revere said book.
 
Follows a religion which encourages the oppression of women, murder of homosexuals and death or enslavement of those from other faiths.
Cries over name calling.

Not saying anyone should be subject to abuse, racist or otherwise, but priorities and all that..

Lol, lol lol. HAHAHA is it my religion or yours? Do I know what it stands for or do you because you read stuff on the internet?

So yes priorities definitely, when you see enslavement or stoning of homosexuals in birmingham then you can have a point.

But right now what actually happens when a muslim mom and her kids go to the park on the outskirts of birmingham is a few racist scum calling them names and abusing there religion. Sounded so similar from what people like you say.

But of course your right because the tiny percentage of muslims here will wipe out the native white population due to overbreeding and the white people won't breed due to encouragement of homosexuality and over liberalisation in society.


Just how much of a coward are you and your ilk?
 
Provide some evidence of the surrounding sentences to show that the context is incorrect.

Ok for example you posted:

""kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush."



I assume you were trying to quote verse 9:5 this is very common quote used by people criticizing Islam also used by the to so called ISIL trying to justify their extremists actions. If you don't read the Quran or at least the whole chapter which the sentence is from you will understand context.

You also need to know the occasions of revelation as all text have contexts, you can't take all the text in the Quran and apply it universally as some verses of the Quran apply to whom the person about whom they were revealed, other verses use that example of a broader principle, some apply only to the particular historical circumstance that they are addressing, some apply to that historical circumstance and analogous circumstances.


You didn't copy the whole verse:

And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

If you go read the start the of chapter you will understand that quote is from a time where a peace treaty between the muslims and the mushriks, it was broken by the mushriks verse 9.5 was during a time of war hence your quote it is apply to that period of time and the mushirks who broke the peace treaty.

Edit: I don't have time to finish this post but read the whole chapter yourself to understand that quote, heres a scholar explaining it:

 
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Ok for example you posted:

""kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush."


I assume you were trying to quote verse 9:5 this is very common quote used by people criticizing Islam also used by the to so called ISIL trying to justify their extremists actions. If you don't read the Quran or at least the whole chapter which the sentence is from you will understand context.

You also need to know the occasions of revelation as all text have contexts, you can't take all the text in the Quran and apply it universally as some verses of the Quran apply to whom the person about whom they were revealed, other verses use that example of a broader principle, some apply only to the particular historical circumstance that they are addressing, some apply to that historical circumstance and analogous circumstances.
Did Muhammad state, with Allah's permission, that those verses are only to be taken in full context of the chapter and only apply at the time or to whom they are revealed?
Can you link to the part in the Quran where it explicitly says to disregard horrific teachings and events from the past?

If you go read the start the of chapter you will understand that quote is from a time where a peace treaty between the muslims and the mushriks, it was broken by the mushriks..

Edit: I don't have time to finish this post but read the whole chapter yourself to understand that quote, heres a scholar explaining it:

You could have the most intelligent, educated, respected human being in the world explaining events and context of the Harry Potter books, it doesn't mean wizards or magic are real, or that the books contain any truth.

Edit: I didn't realise that Dr Zakir Naik is in that video....you really are trawling the gutter to defend your position.:rolleyes:
 
Ok for example you posted:

""kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush."



I assume you were trying to quote verse 9:5 this is very common quote used by people criticizing Islam also used by the to so called ISIL trying to justify their extremists actions. If you don't read the Quran or at least the whole chapter which the sentence is from you will understand context.

You also need to know the occasions of revelation as all text have contexts, you can't take all the text in the Quran and apply it universally as some verses of the Quran apply to whom the person about whom they were revealed, other verses use that example of a broader principle, some apply only to the particular historical circumstance that they are addressing, some apply to that historical circumstance and analogous circumstances.


You didn't copy the whole verse:

And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

If you go read the start the of chapter you will understand that quote is from a time where a peace treaty between the muslims and the mushriks, it was broken by the mushriks verse 9.5 was during a time of war hence your quote it is apply to that period of time and the mushirks who broke the peace treaty.


Sorry, just to be clear - you have a verse which you yourself concede is talking about getting revenge and killing people, and you're citing that as a defense? You didn't really think that one through did you?
 
Lol, lol lol. HAHAHA is it my religion or yours? Do I know what it stands for or do you because you read stuff on the internet?

So yes priorities definitely, when you see enslavement or stoning of homosexuals in birmingham then you can have a point.

But right now what actually happens when a muslim mom and her kids go to the park on the outskirts of birmingham is a few racist scum calling them names and abusing there religion. Sounded so similar from what people like you say.

But of course your right because the tiny percentage of muslims here will wipe out the native white population due to overbreeding and the white people won't breed due to encouragement of homosexuality and over liberalisation in society.


Just how much of a coward are you and your ilk?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/"Muslim_patrols"_in_London_(2013-2014)

How about London? Forcing people to empty cans of alcohol and threatening women.

https://www.therebel.media/london-u...-ezra-levant-show-rebel-media-january-18-2019

Beating homosexual men and spraying them with acid.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...ent-campaign-to-turn-London-area-Islamic.html

Beating a teacher for having the audacity, I say that audacity, to teach girls about other religions.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...se-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

That's right, over half of British muslims (polled) want to take us back 50 years and make homosexuality illegal.

So let's be clear, that's not just name calling. That's violence and punishment. As I say, I know where my priorities lie and I'd rather people weren't getting beaten or threatened than called a few names, as unpleasant as that can be.

Not sure what your last 2 insane sentences are about though!
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/"Muslim_patrols"_in_London_(2013-2014)

How about London? Forcing people to empty cans of alcohol and threatening women.

https://www.therebel.media/london-u...-ezra-levant-show-rebel-media-january-18-2019

Beating homosexual men and spraying them with acid.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...ent-campaign-to-turn-London-area-Islamic.html

Beating a teacher for having the audacity, I say that audacity, to teach girls about other religions.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...se-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

That's right, over half of British muslims (polled) want to take us back 50 years and make homosexuality illegal.

So let's be clear, that's not just name calling. That's violence and punishment. As I say, I know where my priorities lie and I'd rather people weren't getting beaten or threatened than called a few names, as unpleasant as that can be.

Not sure what your last 2 insane sentences are about though!
Those arent real muslims obviously.
 
Sorry, just to be clear - you have a verse which you yourself concede is talking about getting revenge and killing people, and you're citing that as a defense? You didn't really think that one through did you?

You didn't think it through when you cut out half a verse and dissreaged the rest of chapter even the quran. If you read the chapter you would understand it's not about revenge.....

My point is you need to read more that few words to understand islam or any religion for that matter. Thier are many passages regarding peace teaching, not to fight unless attacked, Charity, etc how about to quote them?
 
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Yeah, whatever muslims do its always worse isn't it? I mean on a thread that's about legislation to stop abuse of muslims it's really refreshing to see your ilk twist the subject to something that suits you.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-48093032

I guess this is the fault of muslims too, guess we just should just stay home or just tell me the truth you'd rather have us all booted "back to where we came from" ?

No, im just highlighting the use of your word "terrifying" racist abuse is disgusting, not "terrifying" Also you don't stop abuse by curtailing speech.

And if we're posting news articles, heres some....

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news...m-attacks-another-nigerian-military-base.html

https://citizen.co.za/news/news-afr...ten-relief-efforts-in-cyclone-hit-mozambique/
 
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You didn't think it through when you cut out half a verse and dissreaged the rest of chapter even the quran. If you read the chapter you would understand it's not about revenge.....

My point is you need to read more that few words to understand islam or any religion for that matter. Thier are many passages regarding peace teaching, not to fight unless attacked, Charity, etc how about to quote them?

It's exactly about revenge! It's borderline about genocide.

And unfortunately charity and peace don't negate violence and hatred so they are completely irrelevant.
 
It's exactly about revenge! It's borderline about genocide.

And unfortunately charity and peace don't negate violence and hatred so they are completely irrelevant.

Borderline genocide? Have you even read the chapter and watched that video? You do realize the verses in question was guidance to and army fighting another army? That verses is referring to that time in history in which the Muslim were getting attacked and made a peace treatey, it was then broken by other side and god told prophet Muhammad not to fight give them 4 months to changed make to change thier minds or leave. How does that sound like genocide...
 
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