Islamaphobia Legislation (UK)

sinwave · 2 May 2019 at 18:25

turns out it's probably not Mcmillen referred to but Richard Price

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/176587/Paedo-rap-for-EDL-leader

article says they thought Price had been stitched up, but later publicly condemned him.

edit: apparently the names referred to appeared later

Roar87 · 2 May 2019 at 18:27

neckbeardthethird said:
Given he has previously liked tweets that have called people 'smelly pakis' etc I find it very hard to believe the guy isn't either racist or xenophobic.

I often hear people talk about how he only criticises religion etc and thus he's not racist or xenophobic... well if that's the case why was he tweeting about how Pakistanis stink ? That's hardly a fair criticism of a religion, it's a completely personal attack with no relation whatsoever to his so called 'message'.

Did you see his Twitter account liking those posts? There's been a fair of stuff faked, the only questionable thing I've seen was that speech he gave after the terror bombings where he said something like "to every Muslim watching this", which was obviously unfair to blame all Muslims for an act of terrorism. I've never seen him say anything overtly racist though, mostly because I just don't think he is actually racist - as much as people would like him to be as they'd have an easy job then.

ANDREW GREEN · 2 May 2019 at 18:32

Roar87 said:
Ok, so in your view Tommy Robinson is racist and hates all brown (and black?) people; that's more conceivable than someone who was brought up in Luton having experienced problems with (radical) Islam first hand and witnessing the lack of action by government (probably because of people like you calling them racist), so has decided to take action himself. Gotcha.

I grew up in Bradford, there's nothing Stephen Lennon can tell me about the Pakistani Community that I don't know first hand but I happen to have a nuanced view and see people as individuals. I don't want to take gangs of Neo Nazi thugs doing Nazi Salutes to terrorise Pakistani areas like Stephen Lennon did countless times.

I asked you a question, you haven't answered it. "why does Stephen Lennon only reports on the crimes or social issues with Muslims and African immigrants and never white people".

Oh and why does a grown man nigh on 40 years old from Lutton spread lies about a Syrian schoolboy from Huddersfield who he doesn't know and these lies cause the schoolboy to get beat up:

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...oy-to-sue-facebook-over-tommy-robinson-claims

How is this his 'radical problem with Radical Islam first hand'? Want to know what his experience with Radical Islam was? Supposedly working for Pakistani drug dealers by all accounts.

sinwave said:
under what terms is robinson obliged to report everything? that's a great way to stifle people with unmanageable workload and duplication of effort.

i was given the impression that everything robinson does has to be shoehorned into a hate crime category.

Balanced reporting that doesn't distort the truth and involves 30 minutes of research is an "unmanageable workload and duplication of effort." Okay fella

LabR@t said:
yuck another apologist.

Apologetic statistics?

sinwave · 2 May 2019 at 18:37

looking at the numbers then, at least 3 of approximately 35000 edl members have been convicted of child sexual abuse or posession of child pornography. that's 0.00857143% of the membership. I wonder how that stacks up against other groupings such as WHITE or MUSLIM

ANDREW GREEN said:
Balanced reporting that doesn't distort the truth and involves 30 minutes of research is an "unmanageable workload and duplication of effort." Okay fella

you want him to report on Israel based on 30 minutes of internet detective work, is that right? When his work has nothing to do with reporting on israel? Other people are welcome to and do use their resources reporting on israel's behaviour.

He's under no obligation whatsoever to undermine his own efforts.

mmj_uk · 2 May 2019 at 18:55

ANDREW GREEN said:
I asked you a question, you haven't answered it. "why does Stephen Lennon only reports on the crimes or social issues with Muslims and African immigrants and never white people"

I suspect because when white people are caught by paedophile hunter groups etc the police and authorities don't release them, blame the victim, accuse the hunters of racism and then cover it all up.

He's a product of a catastrophic failure of the state to confront heinous crimes against young girls over many decades, even now they're persecuting him for giving coverage to the details of the court cases where the media still mostly turn a blind eye.

ANDREW GREEN · 2 May 2019 at 19:13

neckbeardthethird said:
Given he has previously liked tweets that have called people 'smelly pakis' etc I find it very hard to believe the guy isn't either racist or xenophobic.

I often hear people talk about how he only criticises religion etc and thus he's not racist or xenophobic... well if that's the case why was he tweeting about how Pakistanis stink ? That's hardly a fair criticism of a religion, it's a completely personal attack with no relation whatsoever to his so called 'message'.

Are we talking about Carl Benjamin? Absolute fantastical political spins while complaining about mainstream politicians.

'I refuse to answer any questions of things I might have said because you won't understand the context'

On racist comments and comments mocking a disabled child 'You don't understand the language and humour of the internet'.

He's basically a professional internet troll and narcissistic bully

sinwave said:
you want him to report on Israel based on 30 minutes of internet detective work, is that right? When his work has nothing to do with reporting on israel? Other people are welcome to and do use their resources reporting on israel's behaviour.

He's under no obligation whatsoever to undermine his own efforts.

Yes with 30 minutes of research he could do a infinitely more balanced report than he actually managed.

You're right he's under no obligation to undermine his own efforts at Propoganda and I'm under no obligation to continue to stop calling him a fascist hypocritical weasle

sinwave · 2 May 2019 at 19:38

ANDREW GREEN said:
Yes with 30 minutes of research he could do a infinitely more balanced report than he actually managed.

You're right he's under no obligation to undermine his own efforts at Propoganda and I'm under no obligation to continue to stop calling him a fascist hypocritical weasle

I can't see that you have any reasonable grounds for it, but you're welcome to do that.

Did you forget racist or are you dropping that claim?

neckbeardthethird · 2 May 2019 at 19:51

ANDREW GREEN said:
Are we talking about Carl Benjamin? Absolute fantastical political spins while complaining about mainstream politicians.

'I refuse to answer any questions of things I might have said because you won't understand the context'

On racist comments and comments mocking a disabled child 'You don't understand the language and humour of the internet'.

He's basically a professional internet troll and narcissistic bully

No, Tommy Robinson.

Sargon of Akkad (Carl Benjamin) is just a teenage edgelord trapped in the body of a 40 year old man whose spent too much of his life on the internet and not enough out in the real world.

Roar87 said:
Did you see his Twitter account liking those posts? There's been a fair of stuff faked

I didn't personally see them at the time but there are screenshots of the tweets taken prior to his account being deleted and after a bit of googling I've not found anything to suggest they are fake although I understand it's the internet and there are some weirdos who would do such a thing. Based on his personality and various other stuff's he's done over the years I find it easier to believe they are legit than they are fake... if someone was going to fake them they'd surely go all in rather than faking him liking a questionable quote from someone else.

sinwave · 2 May 2019 at 20:02

ANDREW GREEN said:
On racist comments and comments mocking a disabled child 'You don't understand the language and humour of the internet'.

despite best efforts i can't find anything the stepfather has said about a disabled child, could you elaborate?

Roar87 · 2 May 2019 at 20:42

neckbeardthethird said:
I didn't personally see them at the time but there are screenshots of the tweets taken prior to his account being deleted and after a bit of googling I've not found anything to suggest they are fake although I understand it's the internet and there are some weirdos who would do such a thing. Based on his personality and various other stuff's he's done over the years I find it easier to believe they are legit than they are fake... if someone was going to fake them they'd surely go all in rather than faking him liking a questionable quote from someone else.

Earlier you were saying he's too smart to be overtly racist, but apparently not that smart that he's liking tweets which are overtly racist. Again you're choosing what ever narrative suits your preconceived viewpoints. Please ATTEMPT to step outside your programming and engage some critical thinking.

I've actually today discovered that The Matrix is real and we are living inside of it.

sinwave · 2 May 2019 at 20:45

Roar87 said:
I've actually today discovered that The Matrix is real and we are living inside of it.

better sunset ourselves before the sequels.

h4rm0ny · 2 May 2019 at 20:53

ANDREW GREEN said:
You're right he's under no obligation to undermine his own efforts at Propoganda and I'm under no obligation to continue to stop calling him a fascist hypocritical weasle

But if this definition is formally adopted, one party will be criminalised for expressing themselves. Which you may be fine with as that party wont be you.

koolpc · 2 May 2019 at 20:55

Islamaphobia! In this day and age we have every right to be concerned about them!

Roar87 · 2 May 2019 at 20:55

h4rm0ny said:
But if this definition is formally adopted, one party will be criminalised for expressing themselves. Which you may be fine with as that party wont be you.

The irony in calling people fascists while using the state to limit political speech is totally lost on them.

McstylisT · 2 May 2019 at 21:06

Islam is the most hatred and dangerous religion in the world today. Majority of all conflict and killings in the name of religion is through Islam killing each other.
Anyone who is not a Muslim is a infidel and disgraces the name of Allah, which in turn is where it becomes dangerous.

McstylisT · 2 May 2019 at 21:24

enkoda said:
You don't have to wait for Sharia law to be implemented, Islam has already begun to impose itself on us:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/police-intervene-in-battle-of-offensive-china-pigs-1157337.html

Disturbing

koolpc · 2 May 2019 at 21:29

McstylisT said:
Islam is the most hatred and dangerous religion in the world today. Majority of all conflict and killings in the name of religion is through Islam killing each other.
Anyone who is not a Muslim is a infidel and disgraces the name of Allah, which in turn is where it becomes dangerous.

Agree. I work in a predominantly muslim area. I am the infidel. No joking!

McstylisT · 2 May 2019 at 21:45

koolpc said:
Agree. I work in a predominantly muslim area. I am the infidel. No joking!

I also worked in highly Muslim populated areas, with Muslims and I was always looked and made to feel differently because I didn’t have a religion.

Luckily I have moved my working area so I’m away from most of this now. But I feel for you buddy.

koolpc · 2 May 2019 at 22:02

McstylisT said:
I also worked in highly Muslim populated areas, with Muslims and I was always looked and made to feel differently because I didn’t have a religion.

Luckily I have moved my working area so I’m away from most of this now. But I feel for you buddy.

I do get on with a lot of Muslims in the area i work. They say they respect my own individual faith but, many look at you with disgust etc in their eyes. Its a horrible feeling as i try and be friendly with everyone.

Lord-Jaffa · 2 May 2019 at 22:30

koolpc said:
I do get on with a lot of Muslims in the area i work. They say they respect my own individual faith but, many look at you with disgust etc in their eyes. Its a horrible feeling as i try and be friendly with everyone.

Might be awkward for you when these views and thoughts become criminalised then!