Islamic mortgage ! whatever next

Dave M · 12 May 2007 at 13:12

FrannoBaz said:
Not really, i just wish muslims didnt exist. Please name me the last time a Christian, Jew or a Sikh commited an act of Terror....

You live in Wales and have to ask? If your history is that limited you shouldn't be making sweeping statements like that.

manoz · 12 May 2007 at 13:13

porkrind said:
I am thinking of starting, In fact I think we all should then perhaps we can rally to force out the invading religion.

Who's for another crusade? The blasphemers seem up for a fight !

Hehe, good luck with getting everyone to go to church. My ARAB housemate is christian and goes to church here maybe you can be church buddies?

porkrind · 12 May 2007 at 13:13

Sleepy said:
Really David Copeland is in prison not a mental health unit, and he was convicted of murder, not manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility.

Yet again you make wild statements with no evidence to support them. Is it any wonder you are seen as a joke here.

so he never suffered from mental illness? What are you he's GP?
link

While on remand in prison and at Broadmoor special hospital, Copeland wrote to BBC correspondent Graeme McLagan. He denied that he was schizophrenic.

He also revealed his racist obsessions - writing that what he called "Zog", the Zionist Occupation Government, was trying to sweep him under the carpet by pumping him full of drugs.

He may be in normal prison now,( I can't find out, can You) but I'm you would find he DOES suffer from a mental illness.

Once again you post Half truths? You do know what broadmoor is don't you?

I may be joke to you, but better than being an imbecile :rolleyes:

Dolph · 12 May 2007 at 13:15

VIRII said:
Originally it was about religion and the treatment of Catholics by the Monarch of the time. Then it became about self rule and not being part of the UK. In the end whilst the division was along religious lines it had little or nothing to do with religion itself.

Indeed, much like the crux of the matter in Israel. Religion is rarely the cause of such things in itself. Land, power and greed are behind most things, islamic terrorism included when you actually listen to the bombers in question.

VIRII · 12 May 2007 at 13:15

Dolph said:
So by treating them exactly the same, they can still do all the above. Do you mean we impose specific restrictions on them to make them behave the same as we do? That's not treating them the same, that's treating them very differently.

Except that they won't get the same lenience in regard to uniforms, wearing veils, building mosques and so on. Nor will they get special softly softly treatment from the police during raids

Dolph · 12 May 2007 at 13:16

VIRII said:
Except that they won't get the same lenience in regard to uniforms, wearing veils, building mosques and so on. Nor will they get special softly softly treatment from the police during raids

That I'd have no problem with at all.

VIRII · 12 May 2007 at 13:18

Dolph said:
That I'd have no problem with at all.

Me either

One rule for all and when in Rome do as the romans do. Simple effective rules for harmonious living.

porkrind · 12 May 2007 at 13:19

Originally Posted by FrannoBaz said:
Not really, i just wish muslims didnt exist. Please name me the last time a Christian, Jew or a Sikh commited an act of Terror....

=Sleepy]Soho nail bomb. DVLC letter bombs, NI, ALF, etc

Sleepy said:
Really David Copeland is in prison not a mental health unit, and he was convicted of murder, not manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility.

Yet again you make wild statements with no evidence to support them. Is it any wonder you are seen as a joke here.

So manslaughter is not an act of terror? is has to be murder Oh yes i forgot you have to kill the infidel's to get your virgins .lol

Efour · 12 May 2007 at 13:21

Yas786 · 12 May 2007 at 13:22

Yas786 · 12 May 2007 at 13:24

porkrind said:
so he never suffered from mental illness? What are you he's GP?
link

He may be in normal prison now,( I can't find out, can You) but I'm you would find he DOES suffer from a mental illness.

Once again you post Half truths? You do know what broadmoor is don't you?

I may be joke to you, but better than being an imbecile

LOL either your drunk or you just dont know what your on about...one min your saying he wasnt mentally ill then next you say he is...so what is it??.

VIRII · 12 May 2007 at 13:26

Spawn said:
Here we go again. Virii looking to start an arguement with his troll-like abilities. Seriously Virii is it any wonder that i think your a big joke now??. If you feel that its a personal attack then report it...im sure you will find that it isnt..
Doesnt feel nice when you get a mouthful of your medicine back does it Virii??

Spawn I would be more than happy totear you to pieces and speak my mind about you as a person but I'm not goingto stoop to your level.
Once again you accuse me of trolling in a post where all you do is attack me the person not my posts.
One day you might just be a big enough man to actually try and deal with my posts rather than a gutless dweeb who attacks and runs

dirtydog · 12 May 2007 at 13:26

Spawn said:
LOL either your drunk or you just dont know what your on about...one min your saying he wasnt mentally ill then next you say he is...so what is it??.

you're

Thanks

porkrind · 12 May 2007 at 13:28

No I am saying he was, can't you read,

I said he MAY be in normal jail now But he was in Broadmoor.

read the article

Look I know most of you can't me and thats great but read the posts fully before trying to dis me , huh?

Sleepy · 12 May 2007 at 13:29

porkrind said:
He may be in normal prison now,( I can't find out, can You) but I'm you would find he DOES suffer from a mental illness.

Once again you post Half truths? You do know what broadmoor is don't you?

He was in Broadmoor to evaluate his claims of insanity. They were rejected. He's sane.

porkrind said:
So manslaughter is not an act of terror? is has to be murder Oh yes i forgot you have to kill the infidel's to get your virgins .lol

WTF, do you know the difference between murder and manslaughter with diminished responsibility? The latter is what they find insane killers guilty of. Ex BNP member Copeland was found guilty of murder, the crime sane people are found guilty of for killing innocent people drinking at a bar

Yas786 · 12 May 2007 at 13:31

VIRII said:
Spawn I would be more than happy totear you to pieces and speak my mind about you as a person but I'm not goingto stoop to your level.
Once again you accuse me of trolling in a post where all you do is attack me the person not my posts.
One day you might just be a big enough man to actually try and deal with my posts rather than a gutless dweeb who attacks and runs

LOL tear me to pieces??, is that you all you think of??....you did exactly the same thing to Visage and now that hes gone you feel the need to start on someone...well bring it on fella....as i said before you have serious anger issues mate if you feel the need to tear me to pieces. Whats the matter Virii??, cant handle it being dished out on you but its perfectly fine for you to dish it out on someone else??. Grow the **** up you sorry excuse for a human being...this isnt playground you know.

Funny how you think you know a lot about me as a person, you dont know the half of it...after all im only a name on the forums here much like yourself but i dont feel the need to vent my rage at a nobody in order to make myself look big or smarter

. Now please run along and continue on with your silly diatribes..its quite funny seeing you rant and rave continously about something that seems to take over your whole life

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Yas786 · 12 May 2007 at 13:32

dirtydog said:
you're

Thanks

Pfft grammar nazi

Apologies for that faux pas...

dirtydog · 12 May 2007 at 13:32

Sleepy said:
He was in Broadmoor to evaluate his claims of insanity. They were rejected. He's sane.
WTF, do you know the difference between murder and manslaughter with diminished responsibility. The latter is what they find insane killers guilty of. Ex BNP member Copeland was found guilty of murder, the crime sane people are found guilty of for killing innocent people drinking at a bar

Insane and sane are legal terms for the purposes of this debate AFAIK. In other words a court may judge him sane, but he might nonetheless still be insane. Psychiatry is not an exact science and not all psychiatrists would necessarily reach the same conclusions. He doesn't seem very sane to me. Does he to you?

Dolph · 12 May 2007 at 13:36

dirtydog said:
Insane and sane are legal terms for the purposes of this debate AFAIK. In other words a court may judge him sane, but he might nonetheless still be insane. Psychiatry is not an exact science and not all psychiatrists would necessarily reach the same conclusions. He doesn't seem very sane to me. Does he to you?

He seemed to know exactly what he was doing, which would point to him being sane and rational in his own way, at least in the legal sense. Insanity generally refers to those unable to comprehend what they are doing is wrong at the time of the crime.

I would argue that his behaviour isn't right and proper, but that he is aware of and therefore responsible for his actions and their consequences.

Johnny Girth · 12 May 2007 at 13:41

dirtydog said:
Insane and sane are legal terms for the purposes of this debate AFAIK. In other words a court may judge him sane, but he might nonetheless still be insane. Psychiatry is not an exact science and not all psychiatrists would necessarily reach the same conclusions. He doesn't seem very sane to me. Does he to you?

You are right to differentiate sanity in the legal and medical context.

However, I think there is a third dimension: the social context.

ALL extremists seem insane, relatively speaking, as no "normal" law-abiding peaceful citizen can possibly imagine what is going on in their twisted minds.

So in that sense, all Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Sikh, Hindu extremists are of the same ilk - they are nutters.