Islamic Preaching

Tinders · 24 Apr 2006 at 17:14

I find it odd that islam accepts followers of other faiths, but som e of islams followers seem to want to destroy followers of other faiths.

I think we should all be able to accept each other, and personally i think all religions allow this, its just the followers skew the message to their own ends, every religious war has had an underlying materialistic undercurrent imo.

Oh and to anyone wanting to read another faiths text its worthwhile saying, dont just take a passage literally, read the preceding and following passages to see why something was stated/decreed etc.

cleanbluesky · 24 Apr 2006 at 17:54

Tinders said:
I find it odd that islam accepts followers of other faiths, but som e of islams followers seem to want to destroy followers of other faiths.

last time I checked whether or not Islam accepts people of other faiths is debateable - there are both inclusive and derisive coments within the Quran.

Although, interestingly enough I was enlightened to an interesting concept within the Bible that Christianity is based foremost on the teachings of Christ - therefore His behaviour will superceed anything that is previously stated in the Bible (such as death penalties etc.)

Perhaps it is similar in the Quran that although there are negative and positive comments on other faiths, perhaps certain comments over-ride others.

I think we should all be able to accept each other, and personally i think all religions allow this, its just the followers skew the message to their own ends, every religious war has had an underlying materialistic undercurrent imo.

Perhaps you should read up on your religions rather than just saying 'I think all religions allow this' becasue they DO NOT.

Oh and to anyone wanting to read another faiths text its worthwhile saying, dont just take a passage literally, read the preceding and following passages to see why something was stated/decreed etc.

Yeah, that's the common excuse for the nasty passages isn't it? I say, it means what it means and while it can be interpreted differently that is not to say that either interpretation has more vailidity than the other...

DarkShadow · 24 Apr 2006 at 18:06

cleanbluesky said:
last time I checked whether or not Islam accepts people of other faiths is debateable - there are both inclusive and derisive coments within the Quran.

Care to elaborate?

cleanbluesky said:
Although, interestingly enough I was enlightened to an interesting concept within the Bible that Christianity is based foremost on the teachings of Christ - therefore His behaviour will superceed anything that is previously stated in the Bible (such as death penalties etc.)

Perhaps it is similar in the Quran that although there are negative and positive comments on other faiths, perhaps certain comments over-ride others.

Regarding forgiveness in islam, this article pretty much summarises it:

There's a pretty common mistake that a lot of people are making, and it�s thinking that Islam is like Christianity somehow. In Christianity, Prophet Jesus, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, was supposedly crucified as punishment for the sins of all mankind. He took all our punishment, so now all we have to do is believe in him and we're automatically saved because he went through living hell for us. That�' called vicarious atonement.

In Islam, there is no vicarious atonement. No one died or was tortured on a cross to apologize for your sins, so you have to apologize yourself. In order to be forgiven, you have to ask for forgiveness. You can't just lay down at night without praying Isha and just think, Oh it's ok if I miss Isha, Allah forgives everything�. It doesn't work that way. Allah can forgive all sins, but that doesn't mean He will, especially if you don't even ask, especially if you're not even sorry for what you're doing when you know it's wrong. Sinning and then brushing it off by saying that Allah forgives everything is not actually being repentant, it's being opportunistic, it's called trying to find loopholes. Real repentance is called Taubah.

Isha is the last (5th) prayer of the night, for those that don't know.

Taubah is seeking forgiveness, which is derived from the arabic context.

Just to summarise, the article merely states that one has to be sincere in his forgiveness and not be a 'part time' muslim.

Sleepy · 24 Apr 2006 at 18:23

cleanbluesky said:
Although, interestingly enough I was enlightened to an interesting concept within the Bible that Christianity is based foremost on the teachings of Christ - therefore His behaviour will superceed anything that is previously stated in the Bible (such as death penalties etc.)

Perhaps it is similar in the Quran that although there are negative and positive comments on other faiths, perhaps certain comments over-ride others.

Do a search for 'abrogation + islam' or 'naskh'

locutus12 · 24 Apr 2006 at 18:32

i sat and chatted with a mormon guy who was from canada in for over an hour in coventry city centre once, firstly im always interested in different religions, especially the more obscure ones, i have no desire to join any of them, but i do want to learn about them.

secondly, he was damn cute.

cleanbluesky · 24 Apr 2006 at 19:01

Sleepy said:
Do a search for 'abrogation + islam' or 'naskh'

Glanced at it on wiki, looks long and complicated - care to give me a run down of the concept before I wade through the whole thing - an overview to serve as a 'starting point' if you will

Pyrosoft · 24 Apr 2006 at 19:15

panthro said:
and that if they did not, I was allowed to hold them responsible when I die on judgement day. This means that God will also make them burn in hellfire as well for a period of time for not spreading his word.

What I'd like to know is if this fellow will go to hell because he hasn't (yet) contacted me and informed me of this fact.

I believe that I will have the same oppinion as the masses, belief is fine, just not shoving it in peoples faces.

You were asking is this is "the muslim way", well I know a muslim, and a damn fine guy he is too. There have been many chats about all sorts of things, 9/11, religion and all kinds of other things. One thing that I have noticed first hand is that he comes out with things along the same lines as this, although I wasnt aware that it was his duty to tell us all about it, he did, I just thought he was doing it because he was a good egg

I am quite happy for a friend to tell me these things, I mean it's no skin off my nose and I sure wouldnt wanthim to risk being sent to hell!
but being stopped in public and told all this...just not on.
I dont like to see any religous types hollering in the street askin gus to repent or we shall go to hell.
nah, thats just not on.

Sleepy · 24 Apr 2006 at 21:30

cleanbluesky said:
Glanced at it on wiki, looks long and complicated - care to give me a run down of the concept before I wade through the whole thing - an overview to serve as a 'starting point' if you will

I'm hardly qualified but this section of a different article should provide the basics. For an islamic explanation try here then ctrl-F for abrogation.