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Issues with 4850

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Hello, long time reader but never posted, however I've now found a problem that stumps me enough to ask for help.

I recently bought the Powercolor ATi Radeon HD4850 from here on OCuk to replace my two very aged 7600GS'.

The problem is, whenever I open up seemingly any game (tested Mass Effect, Team Fortress 2 and World of Warcraft) I get weird FPS effects. For about 4 seconds or so the games will play as they should at high FPS then for about 3-4 seconds it will crash to low fps, or a short freeze up. This effect loops pretty much constantly while playing any of these games.

So far I've played around with the drivers, including 8.5, 8.6 and 8.6 with the Hotfix, but no help. I've done a fresh windows install, again no help. I thought it might be ATi Overdrive acting funny and changing clock frequencies mid game, but even with Overdrive disabled and the clock frequencies set manually, the effect still happens.

However, what I did notice was, with GPU-Z the GPU load acting incredibly erraticly:

With ATi overdrive:
GPU-Z1.jpg


Without Overdrive and the clocks set using AMD GPU Clock Tool:
GPU-Z2.jpg


As you can see from each of the images, the GPU is not taking the load properly, and those spikes of performance roughly match the lag I'm getting in games. At first I thought it was the Overdrive tool, as from the first image it looks like the performance is changing as the frequencies go up and down, but it doesn't seem to be that, as it happens even without overdrive on.

That's about it, can't think of anything else to say apart from list off my system specs:

Core 2 Duo E6600 @ stock 2.4GHz
MSI P6N SLi V2 (650i chipset)
Powercolor ATi Radeon HD4850
4GB GeIL 800MHz DDR2 RAM

So, any ideas anyone?
 
At a guess, it might be files left over from the nvidia drivers, I hear the're aweful when trying to remove them. If a complete format isnt an option, There is a program out that can completley clear them out, although you'll have to wait for an nvidia user to tell you, because I can't remember :p
 
If you have XP with SP3 then 4-6 Nvidia drivers get reinstalled by system restore no matter what as they are part of the sp3.cab. No sure you can stop this unless you do a fresh OS rebuild.
 
If you have XP with SP3 then 4-6 Nvidia drivers get reinstalled by system restore no matter what as they are part of the sp3.cab. No sure you can stop this unless you do a fresh OS rebuild.

Interesting.
Looks like I'm stuck with NV, cos I am sick to death of re-installing and reconfiguring bloody DOS bloody XbloodyP.
What's the point of keeping backups if every time you change something as minor as the display adaptor, you have to start from scratch.


Suppose it's OK if you like IE, and OE and a FischerPrice desktop and flamin zip folders and all the other broken guff I spend days getting the hell rid of.


So driver cleaner is snakeoil then?

Grrrrrrr


Hang on....that useless pile of junk system restore is the first off the computer normally.....does that mean I'm allowed to change video card without confusing ittle windiepoohs?

Sigh, what do I expect, it couldn't even hot plug my new 28" monitor without "monitor drivers" whatever those are. Didn't seem to bother my gentoo box....."new monitor squire? Sorted! ohhh and at the new max res too!"
 
OH.....on a more helpful note....now my spleen is saggin, post-vent.

Try nailing your swapfile to a specific size.

It's a longshot, and your problem seems a bit too frequent, but it's always a good thing to do.....stop DOS fiddling with it mid-game, dragging the machine to a standstill.

I assume as well, you have lots of RAM.
 
Ok, I fixed my swap file like thegoonden suggested, but to no avail. Still the same issues in games.

Firegod, have you checked gpu-z or another program straight after exiting the game, from the GPU-Z readings I posted above it looked to me like the card was stopping processing for a few seconds at a time, just wondering if it's the same issue. Also, is it only COD4 it happens to you in?

As for XP Service pack 3, I never updated to it before I reinstalled, and it hasn't come up yet in the automatic updates since I did, so I doubt it's Nvidia drivers interfering.

Thanks for all the help anyway though, appreciated.
 
Core 2 Duo E6600 @ stock 2.4GHz
MSI P6N SLi V2 (650i chipset)
Powercolor ATi Radeon HD4850
4GB GeIL 800MHz DDR2 RAM

So, any ideas anyone?
What PSU are you using? brand and age please?

I'm running a HD4850/WinXP SP3 and no problems like you describe? mines around 70°C-80°C all the time as well so I doubt it's heat related?
 
Hmm, hadn't thought of PSU; it's a cheap one from a highstreet store that I bought when an old one of mine died, kinda forgot and never did replace it. It's 600w, but I can't remember what brand, though I doubt it was any that would be really recognised (you know what these cheap ones are like).

As for heat, I've manually set the fans to 80%, so their roaring away constantly, and I doubt it get's above 70 degrees as it idles at around 46-47 degrees.

Thanks for the PSU suggesstion, dunno what i can do about that at the moment, if it's even it.
 
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Then don't use XP if you think it is so bad.

Well, it's not like there are many options are there?
Besides, I use it as little as poss, it's just the thing that makes Cubase and Rfactor go ;)

But seriously, re-installing an OS because you change display adaptor, I destest windows and even I'd give it more credit than that.

Anyway, if it's caused by system restore (very useful if you changed your wallpaper by mistake, not so much use if your system is a non-bootable wreck), I'm sweet, like I said, it's first against the wall.



To the OP,.......I did say it was as long shot, typically this would cause bigger hangups at much longer intervals.

Only other thing I can think is that the fan is stuck at really low speed and the card is constantly throttling.
 
Could you take it round to a mates house and try it in their system? (providing he/she/it has a beefy PSU), if it works fine in theirs could help you nail your problem
 
Cheap PSU's are NEVER a good idea. Always get a decent branded 500w+ PSU
Even if it doesnt solve your problem at least you will feel safe knowing that some POS PSU isnt going to overvolt and kill you MB etc etc.

Secondly have you made sure the PCI-E slot is giving 16x as it may be a bandwidth issue (stab in dark)

have you reset CMOS on ** MB making sure everything's at default?
 
How are you getting 51C idle? Aftermarket cooler or profile hack. If its the hack, you should check the speed iunder load. i found that if my fan was any lower than 45 then it would heat up more than the stock settings under load!
 
Hmm, it's the hack, and heat under load seems fine, have set to 100% fan speed at the moment just in case. After playing TF2 (well trying, atm most games are nigh unplayable) for around an hour-45 mins, temps still seemed to be quite low - sub 65.

I reset the CMOS on the board before putting it in, and I can try resetting it again.

As for a decent power supply, I know, but when you have a budget and you want so much stuff it's hard to choose.
 
Hmm, hadn't thought of PSU; it's a cheap one from a highstreet store that I bought when an old one of mine died, kinda forgot and never did replace it. It's 600w, but I can't remember what brand, though I doubt it was any that would be really recognised (you know what these cheap ones are like).

I would look at getting a better PSU wattage wise your psu is probably more than enough, however you will find the problem most likely lie's with the Ampage availeable from the +12v rail on the psu not being enough to run your system.
You need to be looking for a PSU that has 38+ Amps availeable from the +12v rail/s.
i beleive a lot of forum user's recommend the antec's range of psu's
 
I would look at getting a better PSU wattage wise your psu is probably more than enough, however you will find the problem most likely lie's with the Ampage availeable from the +12v rail on the psu not being enough to run your system.
You need to be looking for a PSU that has 38+ Amps availeable from the +12v rail/s.
i beleive a lot of forum user's recommend the antec's range of psu's

Surely he'd get a warning from the card if it were a PSU issue. Even my ancient 6800 popped up a box to say "oi, cheapskate, more power please, and I shall sulk in slow mode until you sort it".
 
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