they want to teach you is Microsoft word well to start off i use Linux so that's a fail.
Ever heard of a de facto standard? Get off your highchair, that ignorant attitude will get you no where.
IT based apprecticeships?
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Ever heard of a de facto standard? Get off your highchair, that ignorant attitude will get you no where.
yes there is a bit of software stuff on there, but the books I have, its much more hardware diagnostics and config, which, unless the syllabus has changed a lot, is not really what the op is after. Hence why I suggested the mcitp and n+ as an alternative. The mcitp is a good route onto higher ms certs, it seems better than the mcdst, which I think was replaced by the itp.
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Hm, maybe. I only took a brief look at it. My boss told me on numerous occasions that I could probably pass the A+ with my eyes closed, so maybe you're right.
I thought the MCITP:SA/EA were more replacements for MCSA/E certifications?
Well this is the issue with certs,lol! to my understanding , the mcitp is a better and newer qual than the mcdst, it covers a lot more than just first line stuff. but not as specialised as the mcsa or mcse. I might well be wrong but thats my understanding of it.
Any employer will likely have even less understanding, which is why certificates of this kind don't carry as much weight as commercial experience. I'm my view, do a cert that suits your interest. But do get get something, as it looks good on the cv.
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Might I add that when I left school at 16 I managed to get a place here - www.zenos.com .
Did the training/courses, got some decent qualifications (MCP/MCDST, Network+, A+, ADITP, NVQ, and advanced apprenticeship (for someone my age) and with no experience it was hard getting a job - though the qualifications did stand out on my CV when going for jobs and when getting call backs/interviews many companies couldn't believe I was only 16. And now have the opportunity to progress and do some more courses to get MCSA/MCSE.
They did start out for the two weeks or so doing a course called Certiport IC3 which to say the least covers most of the basic aspects of MS Office and general computer use. Needless to say anyone even half interested in IT found it very easy.
Did the training/courses, got some decent qualifications (MCP/MCDST, Network+, A+, ADITP, NVQ, and advanced apprenticeship (for someone my age) and with no experience it was hard getting a job - though the qualifications did stand out on my CV when going for jobs and when getting call backs/interviews many companies couldn't believe I was only 16. And now have the opportunity to progress and do some more courses to get MCSA/MCSE.
They did start out for the two weeks or so doing a course called Certiport IC3 which to say the least covers most of the basic aspects of MS Office and general computer use. Needless to say anyone even half interested in IT found it very easy.
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Well, the core requirements for MCITP are three Server 2008 related ones, covering AD, DNS, DHCP etc. and then one client-configuration module, which is why I was thinking that way, because MCSA and MCSE are Server 2003/XP related, I think. My colleagues are doing their MCSA and did two compulsory Server 2003 modules, one Vista module and then one ISA module. It is all very confusing, I agree!
Myself, I can't decide what to do. I think MCITP: Enterprise Administrator would suit me eventually, but the Server Administrator one would definitely be a start. Problem is, I can't decide on what exactly I'd like to move on to. Networking seems very interesting, but at the same time, managing large domains on a huge corporate level also seems like something I'd do.
I just know that it's likely to work out best for me if I take on the Microsoft certifications first.
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Might I add that when I left school at 16 I managed to get a place here - www.zenos.com .
Did the training/courses, got some decent qualifications (MCP/MCDST, Network+, A+, ADITP, NVQ, and advanced apprenticeship (for someone my age) and with no experience it was hard getting a job - though the qualifications did stand out on my CV when going for jobs and when getting call backs/interviews many companies couldn't believe I was only 16. And now have the opportunity to progress and do some more courses to get MCSA/MCSE.
They did start out for the two weeks or so doing a course called Certiport IC3 which to say the least covers most of the basic aspects of MS Office and general computer use. Needless to say anyone even half interested in IT found it very easy.
I did this aswell. It's pretty easy and I got everything aswell - I left at 17 and got tons of Job Offers. I'de recommend it for starting off, it's free and you are a lot more employable with it.
Im looking at other courses at the moment to do, to improve my Qualifications aswell.
Personally I'd start with the basics, the CompTIA certs wouldn't be a bad start (A+, N+, maybe even Sec+), and if interested in networking maybe go for the CCENT to start with. Aren't there college IT courses run nowadays that incorporate the CCNA within them? Might be an idea.
MCITP etc would not be great imho, ok if you have some experience already supporting those systems but going in fresh not so good. They are good certs to have, but not for someone just entering the field fresh as a daisy.
Although your best bet is to try and get a trainee support position somewhere. You will have to start at the bottom and work your way up, but will give you that all important experience. Plus it will hopefully open your eyes as to which areas you want to specialise in.
MCITP etc would not be great imho, ok if you have some experience already supporting those systems but going in fresh not so good. They are good certs to have, but not for someone just entering the field fresh as a daisy.
Although your best bet is to try and get a trainee support position somewhere. You will have to start at the bottom and work your way up, but will give you that all important experience. Plus it will hopefully open your eyes as to which areas you want to specialise in.
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Your attitude stinks.I've recently left school, (16). I've looked at a few colleges but they're long - most of them being two years and the stuff they want to teach you is Microsoft word well to start off i use Linux so that's a fail.
Probably over a billion people worldwide used Microsoft Windows and Office.
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this kid is getting owned
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You lot are a bunch of puffs lol.
For one sentance you guys crucify him lmao.
For one sentance you guys crucify him lmao.
Mate I love your enthusiasm and how you aim for more than a support role, but don't seclude yourself from windows... it's just not practical. If I were you I would get an apprenticeship as a junior technician or something of the like and earn money to do night courses for windows 7/server support, and whatever else you can get your hands on (cisco courses, linux courses, etc). Don't be lazy, work hard and good things will come
If you're interested in starting to learn right away, why not buy yourself a book on C? I found around your age that programming was what I wanted to do for a career, plus it can be amazing for gaining knowledge if you surround yourself with the right people.
Good luck brotha
If you're interested in starting to learn right away, why not buy yourself a book on C? I found around your age that programming was what I wanted to do for a career, plus it can be amazing for gaining knowledge if you surround yourself with the right people.
Good luck brotha
Guys, he's young!.
However your assumptions on the 'real world' of business IT is somewhat misguided. I'm sure you've been 'educated' by someone who apparently is the 'dogs nackers' in IT. There are careers in just a Linux environment, but they are rare! Most SMB / Large environments will employ Linux into the network as a support service to some legacy software packages and bespoke / DB back ends.
The call for Linux specialists within most sectors seem again to be quite small as the techincally adept engineer can soon find his/her way through a Linux GUI or command line set-up with text book and internet support.
Soon into your new life in IT, you will quickly realise, it's not what you know it's how you know it. By this I mean, IT relevance. I'm sure on this forum alone, there are technical minds of all abilities - this being said even if you have a wealth of technical knowledge without the experience and understanding of how to actually deploy that knowledge with precision, accuracy and the business needs / wants in mind, your efforts will be fruitless.
If you have any interest, run with it. Do not buy into the adverts you see on television or the dribble your 20 yr old friends feed you. Work hard, work smart. You will succeed.
On a side note, I do believe most are correct here, the attitude you decide to take with you over the next few years will really determine the path you'll sit on until you wake up.
I wish you well, and hopefully one day you can come back and set us all straight.
FYI - I have a job if you wish, I have 16K names that you can enter into a new domain for me - saves me having to migrate them. It's not Word 
However your assumptions on the 'real world' of business IT is somewhat misguided. I'm sure you've been 'educated' by someone who apparently is the 'dogs nackers' in IT. There are careers in just a Linux environment, but they are rare! Most SMB / Large environments will employ Linux into the network as a support service to some legacy software packages and bespoke / DB back ends.
The call for Linux specialists within most sectors seem again to be quite small as the techincally adept engineer can soon find his/her way through a Linux GUI or command line set-up with text book and internet support.
Soon into your new life in IT, you will quickly realise, it's not what you know it's how you know it. By this I mean, IT relevance. I'm sure on this forum alone, there are technical minds of all abilities - this being said even if you have a wealth of technical knowledge without the experience and understanding of how to actually deploy that knowledge with precision, accuracy and the business needs / wants in mind, your efforts will be fruitless.
If you have any interest, run with it. Do not buy into the adverts you see on television or the dribble your 20 yr old friends feed you. Work hard, work smart. You will succeed.
On a side note, I do believe most are correct here, the attitude you decide to take with you over the next few years will really determine the path you'll sit on until you wake up.
I wish you well, and hopefully one day you can come back and set us all straight.
FYI - I have a job if you wish, I have 16K names that you can enter into a new domain for me
- saves me having to migrate them. It's not Word
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FYI - I have a job if you wish, I have 16K names that you can enter into a new domain for me
We probably have a script here that can do that for you much faster than a person could. Get with the times!
Office staff that you will ahve to support?
also excel is very useful for all sorts of stuff... generating batch files, cleaning data etc etc..
e's already permabanned what more do you want
Why was he Permabanned? Because he was arrogant? Seems a bit harsh.
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The btec national diploma for IT practitioners is good, I done it, you do about 18 different sections, programming, web design, graphic design, networking, end user support etc etc etc, a very good grounding in all things IT.
That's what i'm doing in September
When i went for my 'interview' at the college they didn't know what the 18 sections were going to be though as they were changing them or something so. I think they were doing a little less of something to do with games and networking.