IT Support for elderly

Isn’t there a rule about getting older though. The older you get the less you take in because either you have memory problems or your will to learn disappears

I think that's part of it, I also think it's because you become ingrained in using older systems because you just don't need to move on. For instance, I've been using Linux at home for years [which is not always flashy and up-to-date] while my wife still uses Windows 7. One of the younger girls [hah, "younger girls"] at work had to teach me how to use some standard Windows 10 applications because I just didn't use them anywhere else and they weren't intuitive in the way I was used to. Things change, and if you're not using the systems at home you can get left behind a bit.

There's a Youtuber called penguinz0 who has a video called "There is Nothing Good on Tik Tok". He's young, in his 20s, but in that video he talks about how even at his age he is starting to understand why older people get disgruntled with digital technology.
 
When you’re girlfriend needs or needed her parents down through the years they I assume they didn’t try and farm her out to some 3rd party ‘support’ - tell your gf to (wo)man up and help her folks out no matter how irritating it might be. life is circular, parents help us out when we need it, we help them when they need it.
Definitely this for parents.

However my wife did used to expect me to help all her friends and family out with computer issues (brothers, sisters, etc - she has a very large family). They lived an hours drive away, so a two hour round trip on top of any time actually fixing the issue. It began to drive me nuts and I had to start saying no.

Isn’t there a rule about getting older though. The older you get the less you take in because either you have memory problems or your will to learn disappears
This is very true. When I was a teenager I used to be able to learn anything really quickly. For example when the VHS appeared I was able to use it immediately while my parents had to ask me to record things for them. It was the time when the ZX81 and VIC20 appeared and I was soon programming them with very little effort and only the user manual to help (no internet back then). I even taught myself Assembler from a very basic book. Fast forward to today, when I am in my fifties, and I struggle to learn new things. I can still do it but I have to concentrate hard rather than it naturally coming to me. I think it's a motivation issue. I learn quickly when I want to learn it. But new things are less interesting to me nowadays and I often don't actually want to learn that new shiny thing so it's a real effort. I have far less patience now.
 
I have a feeling for older people it’s the will to learn new things. Technology been one of those things that you either like it or hate it.

Im more than confident it hasn’t made things better it’s just made people more lazy than ever before.
 
Im more than confident it hasn’t made things better it’s just made people more lazy than ever before.

It's certainly given people the chance to because more lazy. Absolutely. I've always held that the whole point of technology is to make the hard jobs easy so that we can concentrate on new kinds of hard jobs and advance our species. But it's only certain types of people who will take the opportunity.

Think about a washing machine, for instance. Many years ago it would take the woman [and it would be the woman] a whole day just to do the clothes washing for a small household. Washing things by hand, starching, mangling, whatever [I don't know the process of manual clothes washing, these are rough examples, but you get the point]. Now you can just throw it in the machine and it does it all for you, it will even dry the things in rapid time. You can do other things instead, hopefully put that time to better productive use.

Fast forward to today and now you can live in front of a computer. You can do your work and even have food just appear at your door. What such technology has allowed us to do for the first time in human history to not to have to live and work in physical communities but to live totally private existences. It's a 21st century luxury. Of course the other side of this is that certain people will become completely lazy and do as little as possible.
 
Isn’t there a rule about getting older though. The older you get the less you take in because either you have memory problems or your will to learn disappears
I feel like one of those reddit bots.
theres supposed to be mental activities you can do to fight it though, just like exercising a muscle
When Do Mental Powers Peak?

Among the key findings from the latest study and earlier research:1
  • 18-19: Information-processing speed peaks early, then immediately begins to decline.
  • 25: Short-term memory gets better until around age 25. It remains fairly steady until it begins to decline around age 35.
  • 30: Memory for faces peaks and then starts to gradually decline.
  • 35: Your short-term memory begins to weaken and decline.
  • 40s-50s: Emotional understanding peaks in middle to later adulthood.
  • 60s: Vocabulary abilities continue to increase.
  • 60s and 70s: Crystallized intelligence, or accumulated knowledge and facts about the world, peaks late in life.
kinda weird american let's biden be president, he's 75 or so right? anyone over 50 is basically way out of touch with the world for the most part I would imagine.

I'm a few days from 40 and already feel some of it (being out of touch with the world that is)
Mentally I don't think much changed in the last 10 years.
I learned basic german a couple of years ago, learned enough python to play with machine learning etc
as long as it's something that interests you then you can still learn it quick even with apparent "short term memory decline"
 
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However my wife did used to expect me to help all her friends and family out with computer issues (brothers, sisters, etc - she has a very large family). They lived an hours drive away, so a two hour round trip on top of any time actually fixing the issue. It began to drive me nuts and I had to start saying no.
Yup been there done that. And it all ended in a gtfo when a month or so after fixing some minor issue (pop up notifications he’d ok’d on chrome) I get a call from the brother in law saying ‘whatever you did on my computer has ****** it up and it won’t turn on now’

Ummm ok, yea no.

Never ever become the ‘IT help’ for family or friends outside of your own parents - at least that’s my opinion.
 
It does exist as it’s yours truly for the local Brits who are mostly pensioners.

All smart folks who ran businesses or were skilled tradespeople, but retired before computers and iThings became the norm.

Mainly explaining cyber security and the difference between calls to/from landlines and those using WhatsApp and FaceTime.
 
I recently asked my mother to get WhatsApp so that I could easily and cheaply send photos of my son to her. My father "helped" with the installation by denying access to everything that makes the app work IE. Contacts, camera etc etc.

As they get older problems like will increase in both frequency and magnitude.

A service like you mentioned would be great, but how long till it was imitated by Nigerian del boys looking for one time credit card payments?

I'm afraid that you are stuck with providing help to your ageing relatives otherwise they are vulnerable to being ripped off.
 
There's a Youtuber called penguinz0 who has a video called "There is Nothing Good on Tik Tok". He's young, in his 20s, but in that video he talks about how even at his age he is starting to understand why older people get disgruntled with digital technology.

Not sure they are disgruntled, but they(+I) don't see that the likes of tik tok, could contribute anything to enhanced quality of life, just a frivolous novelty, for those that can't think of a more imaginative way of using their time, or, teenagers picking it up as a rebellious act because parents dislike it - ie. catch22

and the difference between calls to/from landlines and those using WhatsApp and FaceTime.
was reading all about zoom fatigue - I concur, we don't need it, for work, conference calls work fine
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...is-taxing-the-brain-here-is-why-that-happens/
https://www.eurozine.com/the-anatomy-of-zoom-fatigue/

The parents / zoom-sceptics were having FOMO for quizzes organised by friends.
 
No matter how old you are it's a case of I wan't to know - not a case of I should know.
My brother used to do his own circuit boards and kept telling me what he was doing - My eyes just went round in circules.
I did a course on programing a ZX Spectrum to add 2 and 2 together but wasn't interested but thought I should be- Jacked it in.
Then one day I wanted to know my shooting scores on CPSA (Clay Pigeon Shooting Associateion.) - So bought myself a PC - from then on I was hooked.
I had two purchased PCs then 7 yrs ago came on here and asked for people to spec one up for me - they did - I bought the bits and here I am.
I have a few mates who have no idea how a PC works or what to do with them - They have no interest in them and just hit buttons - I had a mate who said his PC was slow loading so got him to send a screen shot of his desktop- Seems he downloaded programs to his desktop.
As a 76 yr old I can understand the reluctance to go on a PC as they know absolutely nothing and are affraid of messing it up - every time my wife uses my PC I seem to have to fix something - It does things I have never seen before - It's a case of "How the bloody hell did you get that up" - I don't know !!
:D
 
At 65 I'm the IT support for the rest of my elderly family! :p

As an ex-programmer and office/field IT engineer I can't get out of it!
 
My mother bought a new TV 8 months ago, a smart TV. I added all the usually services such as netflix, iplayer, amazon video, Disney ect. Practically everything available to watch.

She struggled really really badly with it, especially the Digital TV bit, and when i tried to get her to use the streaming she was in crying most of the time.
But i persevered, i forced her to deal with it and actually think and learn which a lot of folk refuse to do.


Now if she looses internet connectivity for half a microsecond i am called with complaints, she has a bloody netflix watch list 10 times the size of mine. She is always on something on one of the streaming channels.
I asked her a few weeks back if she wanted to go back to the old style she had before like she was upset about when she started - the answer was a very big NO.


Thing is i find most people, especially older ones, that cause the most trouble - they dont want to learn, but its not hard. They need to be shown something that is useful and beneficial to them, all of a sudden they are hooked.
If i tried to take away her telly now i wouldnt make it past the front door without being walloped with a rolling pin.
 
When we're young, most of us can learn to spin plates and keep them spinning easily. Some are great plate spinners. Some are not, as reflected in... well, every single thing in life from exams to football to inventing covid-19 vaccines. When we're old though, the sticks holding the plates are fragile, the plates are cracked from being dropped so many times over your lifetime, and there are a lot more fragile plates to keep track of. Some have to fall and are gone for good, and you become scared of adding more for fear of losing what you have going already.

There are older folk who excel at life right up to the end. There are folk who die at 20 because something in their physiology self-destructs. Most of us are in the middle somewhere. My father, 83 now and slipping towards dementia, never got beyond basic TV operation. My mother, now entering the terminal phase of dementia at 81, did learn to turn on the PC I set her up with in the early 2000s, and even sent me an email once. But compared to just picking up the phone and speaking to me it seemed pointless to her (maybe she was right, given how messed up social media is making the world), and as TVs got more complicated I had to buy her the same TV I had to make support easier. Eyesight fades, tiny buttons get more confusing, combinations of presses to get certain operations become a maze. Tech life is a moving target, and chasing it can be hard at the best of times.

Anyway, there are getting on for a million older people living with dementia, at all stages, in this country now. And dementia starts way before it's noticeable, putting you in that million. Bits of brain clog up or die randomly, complicating the brain's workings a tiny bit at a time as we get into middle age and beyond. And one day, as we find better ways of tackling cancer, even more of us will get the opportunity to wake up one morning and not remember how to use a light switch, let alone conjure up a password for your online bank.

So next time you're reaching for the "they don't want to learn" response, just take a moment to consider that while this will be true for some, it will definitely not be true for all. And one day it may not be true for you. So take a deep, tech support breath, and try to find the joy in being needed. It's what humans do for each other and it's what built civilisation.

Well, that got heavy. Never was a party animal on New Year's Eve though. :) Fortunately, few people read beyond the first sentence of most posts, so I'll just wish the handful who made it this far a Happy New family tech support Year. Just don't ask me what year it is, ok. They're starting to go by faster than I can count.

Now, why did I come into this thread? I'll just go back to the other one and see if it jogs my memory...
 
This is actually why the digital eagles existed to help people with technology especially the older generation. What we don't see is businesses that are only there to help a lost generation. If only there was such a thing to support these people as I think it's the oldest who struggle most with technology. Younger gen don't struggle they pick it up because they can learn faster than an older gen.
 
Not giving them admin rights on the normal account would be best practice to prevent malware.

Windows updates will still install ok
"I found a thing that said it would make my computer quicker, but every time I click on it it tells me to put in the password?"

"What do you mean I can't have it? I want it! How dare you put a password on my computer!"

Etc, etc, ad-nauseum :p

Been there, done that.
 
I set up the non techies without admin rights and then have a 2nd account called setup.

I used to have a 2nd account with someones name but it confused them. Now I name it something boring.
 
This is actually why the digital eagles existed to help people with technology especially the older generation. What we don't see is businesses that are only there to help a lost generation. If only there was such a thing to support these people as I think it's the oldest who struggle most with technology. Younger gen don't struggle they pick it up because they can learn faster than an older gen.
Loads of generalisation there, plenty of young gen can barely use a computer for anything except browsing and playing games. The older generation had better things to do in their life than stare at a screen or be attached to a phone 24/7. My O Level maths was done without a computer or calculator or multichoice answers. I did plenty of learning and also kept most of it inside my head. We had no lookup on Google to get through life.

Happy new year.:D
 
Isn’t it strange with certain hobbies you don’t get asked questions but with certain ones you get pestered.

It's even worse when it's not just a hobby but your job. I'm constantly being asked to design and create websites for family members' & friends of family businesses because "you work in computers right?"

Yes. Yes I do.

But A) I have a background in infrastructure, and currently work as a desktop developer. I'm neither a graphic designer or Web developer, so if I design your website it will be functional, but look like ****, and it will take me twice as long as a professional Web dev while I familiarise myself with the tools.

B) this is my day job, I know you're family/close friends, but my time is still worth ££/hr, particularly in the evenings/weekends where I would normally be getting 1.5-2x pay. If it's 30 mins of helping out and giving advice occasionally then sure, but I'm not spending all my free time over the next month building you a 20 page ecommerce site for free!
 
I set up the non techies without admin rights and then have a 2nd account called setup.

I used to have a 2nd account with someones name but it confused them. Now I name it something boring.
And they will continue to install all the crap the internet throws at them, because they can :p

"Don't install anything that claims to make your PC faster. It's a lie."

Next week: 16 "speed up my PC" apps installed.

"My other friend said he'd put them on and it worked for him..."

Or "My granddaughter is only 6 but she's really good with computers and he installed a bunch of these things..."

You can't win. The only winning move is not to play. Do not get into IT support for the general public. It's toxic :p
 
And they will continue to install all the crap the internet throws at them, because they can :p

"Don't install anything that claims to make your PC faster. It's a lie."

Next week: 16 "speed up my PC" apps installed.

"My other friend said he'd put them on and it worked for him..."

Or "My granddaughter is only 6 but she's really good with computers and he installed a bunch of these things..."

You can't win. The only winning move is not to play. Do not get into IT support for the general public. It's toxic :p

They mostly can't do that without admin rights.
 
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