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I live in a second story flat and noticed a fair bit of drilling and banging going on outside my front door, I got curious today and was thinking could it be full fibre going to the property.

I could not take any more and went out to 3 Open reach engineers drilling above my door, after a long wait full fat fibre is here.
 
Just got an email from Zen, am now booked for the upgrade, I should find out later when the work will be done.
 
It finally was installed today, Openreach engineer was brilliant. Looks like the connection needs a bit of a tweak as am getting 900 down and only 20 up, it's supposed to be 100 up, will leave it a couple of days to see if it sorts itself out.
 
13oots2 said:
It finally was installed today, Openreach engineer was brilliant. Looks like the connection needs a bit of a tweak as am getting 900 down and only 20 up, it's supposed to be 100 up, will leave it a couple of days to see if it sorts itself out.
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Which supplier? If it's BT, contact them, it won't just correct itself, they have a recurrent issue of new connections being restricted to lower speeds both at the start of contract and router firmware upgrades.

Also, when you contact them, go via the forums, the mods there know the issue and can get it remedied a lot faster than calling BT direct.
 
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Robert T. said:
Have HyperOptic's 1GB symmetric - pure joy after years of phone line broadband.
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I have always thought the idea of a symmetric connection is much better. I'm not exactly sure why the nonsymmetric 900/100 connections are so popular. I would much rather have 500/500 than 900/100
 
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SpellowHouse said:
I have always thought the idea of a symmetric connection is much better. I'm not exactly sure why the nonsymmetric 900/100 connections are so popular. I would much rather have 500/500 than 900/100
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Not sure if this answer is too basic, but isn't it just because the vast majority of consumers spend far more time downloading (4K streaming, P2P, drivers, etc.) than they do uploading, and even when uploading, for most people the upload speed doesn't impact their immediate enjoyment of what they're doing, whereas when downloading you're consuming something for which the speed directly relates to the enjoyment of whatever is being consumed?

Given this, with limited bandwidth, it makes commercial sense to prioritise download.
 
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Not sure if this answer is too basic, but isn't it just because the vast majority of consumers spend far more time downloading (4K streaming, P2P, drivers, etc.) than they do uploading, and even when uploading, for most people the upload speed doesn't impact their immediate enjoyment of what they're doing, whereas when downloading you're consuming something for which the speed directly relates to the enjoyment of whatever is being consumed?

Given this, with limited bandwidth, it makes commercial sense to prioritise download.
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I'm sure it is for that reason, but I think people overestimate how much download they really need. I mean, certainly with me, most of the services I access can't even come close to 900Mbps. Can't even come close to 300Mbps, in fact.
 
SpellowHouse said:
I'm sure it is for that reason, but I think people overestimate how much download they really need. I mean, certainly with me, most of the services I access can't even come close to 900Mbps. Can't even come close to 300Mbps, in fact.
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What if four people in the same house are streaming 4K Netflix at the same time?
 
It's not about how much you do, it's how much you have to wait until whatever you download arrives.

During Diablo4 open beta testing I was able to download entire game - almost 100GB's - in under 10 minutes. meaning I was able to enjoy it literally immediately. On my previous 60mbps I'd have to wait day or smt, and because beta was a open only for weekend - it is difference between two days of play and one not entire day. And - I got my link saturated for only 10 minutes and then it was free again for anyone else to use it - with 60mbps I'd block entire bandwitch for anyone else in household to that entire day.

With uploads it's different - we do not utilize it that much, but with prolific use of P2P protocols by Epic/Steam to redistribute games amongst 'neighbours' that is benefit for anyone close to us. There's more to it, but it's another topic altogether.

BTW: My colleagues hated me at that moment when I said "I already play it" literally 10 minutes after "Wow, beta tests are open, going to get it now".
 
Robert T. said:
It's not about how much you do, it's how much you have to wait until whatever you download arrives.

During Diablo4 open beta testing I was able to download entire game - almost 100GB's - in under 10 minutes. meaning I was able to enjoy it literally immediately. On my previous 60mbps I'd have to wait day or smt, and because beta was a open only for weekend - it is difference between two days of play and one not entire day. And - I got my link saturated for only 10 minutes and then it was free again for anyone else to use it - with 60mbps I'd block entire bandwitch for anyone else in household to that entire day.

With uploads it's different - we do not utilize it that much, but with prolific use of P2P protocols by Epic/Steam to redistribute games amongst 'neighbours' that is benefit for anyone close to us. There's more to it, but it's another topic altogether.

BTW: My colleagues hated me at that moment when I said "I already play it" literally 10 minutes after "Wow, beta tests are open, going to get it now".
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Getting a decent fibre connection has changed this as well, with frequent patches on games, such as the 30gb+ regular COD patches if you open up to play and theres a required patch, then with a decent connection its not an issue. But previously it would have taken hours, so with these limited time events, or free weekends etc. I couldn't take advantage of them on my previous connection.
 
SpellowHouse said:
I have always thought the idea of a symmetric connection is much better. I'm not exactly sure why the nonsymmetric 900/100 connections are so popular. I would much rather have 500/500 than 900/100
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Because the equipment Openreach use on the street is only capable of 1.2gb(?) upload and that's shared between up to 32 properties
With each person capped at 100mb it's less likely to get congested if 3 or 4 people like to upload constantly (think leaving torrents open etc)

So in theory, if you had 1000/1000 you may sometimes only get 20mb - 30mb upload. But with it limited to 100mb you'll likely get that rock solid all the time
 
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Openreach has a leased line business to protect.
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Yeah had a discussion about this with a Gigaclear rep recently - for now their residential offerings are same up and down because there are "no practical reasons not to" but it is constantly under review due to the business line case.
 
bob9oc said:
Getting a decent fibre connection has changed this as well, with frequent patches on games, such as the 30gb+ regular COD patches if you open up to play and theres a required patch, then with a decent connection its not an issue. But previously it would have taken hours, so with these limited time events, or free weekends etc. I couldn't take advantage of them on my previous connection.
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I'm looking at it a different way for me.

Going from Virgin to FTTP has not only got me some faster speeds, but also MUCH reduced ping. I went from 45ms in some games to around 22ms on average.

Plus I'm a big cloud gamer, so I'm not having to deal with patches, but it's made that experience so much more pleasurable due to reduced input lag.
 
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