itunes mixing up file structure

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I have about 20GB of tunes burnt from original cd's via media player and the structure given automatically seems to be a reasonable one to use even on a small screen ( ie not too much scrolling required)

When I import all these mp3's to itunes it mucks the list up completely ie all the Phil Collins variations (Serious Band, solo, various duets) are all listed seperately under Artist name - rahter than collectively under Phil Collins and then whichever album

So instead of 100 artists/ items or whatever being listed on the initial Artist list on My ipod this is mulitplied by magnitudes ( soundtrack albums can take upto ten lines rather than just Various / whatever album)

Surely the tags have to be correct otherwise media player wouldnt have listed them correctly to start with

Anyway I can force Itunes /Ipod to list them "properly" without changing the tags (or is there an auto tag updater or whatever that can do this easily)

20 GB (or 4000 tracks) will take some editing if I have to do this manualy
 
I'm going to write a sticky on this because it gets asked so many times.

You must learn to TAG.

If you are using I-Tunes drag one album over to the IPOD and then highlight the tracks, right click and click on Get Info (working from memory here).
You will now see where you put the TAGs.
Type Phil Collins in the Artist section and then type No Jacket required in the album section. There are other things you can type here but the IPOD only needs that information.
Your Phil Collins - No Jacket Required will now be seen on your IPOD.

However, what most IPOD users do is TAG before they go onto the IPOD with programs such as ID3-Tagit which is free http://www.id3-tagit.de/english/index.htm

Couple of screen grabs here - tag 1 tag 2

in the first picture those three tracks would go into their own group name and album on the IPOD. Three tracks in three seperate places - not good.

In the second picture the whole of the album is going to go exactly where you want it.

If you don't put any TAGs then they go everywhere.
 
hold on but tags have worked for MP so why not itunes

all my tags have Phil Collins (as the example) so no matter what software it should be listed there, not on a seperate List saying Phil Collins & Eric Clapton or some such


Its not being listed as track one from mystery artist or whatever

All the info is actually there, so it shouldnt need re-tagging

I could understand if the info wasnt there - but its just itunes not reading it correctly. Just because one track off an album is a duet shouldnt mean its listed seperately , should be filed under artist and then under the album surely?

james.miller said:
me, i dont like tagging. i just use software that doesnt sort by tag - problem solved.










yes im lazy lol

Is there ipod software that doesnt sort by tags - maybe thats my solution? (Even though as far as I can tell as above the tags are there , just not being read)



I am not trying to be difficult or arguementative but I have seen devices which pick up this correctly - so why doesnt itunes?
 
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FrankJH said:
I am not trying to be difficult or arguementative but I have seen devices which pick up this correctly - so why doesnt itunes?

I've just de-tagged an album and played it in Media Player. It was still telling me what the Artist, Album and Name Of Song are because it must be reading the directory and song title and not TAG's.

Download and install ID3-tagit and see what the TAG's say in that. I'm betting that they're not right.
 
dmpoole said:
I've just de-tagged an album and played it in Media Player. It was still telling me what the Artist, Album and Name Of Song are because it must be reading the directory and song title and not TAG's.

Download and install ID3-tagit and see what the TAG's say in that. I'm betting that they're not right.


ok thank you
 
Instead of Itunes, You could download anapod explorer, for a free 15 day trial. Simple to use, drag and drop your named files into the ipod, no messing about.
 
I use Anapod Explorer but it doesn't get around the fact that you still have to TAG your MP3's.
I find it quicker to TAG them with ID3-Tagit if I'm dragging a few albums over into Anapod Explorer (or I-Tunes).
If you're just dragging one album then you can choose all the tracks and right click after they've copied to the IPOD and go to PROPERTIES (on Anapod) or GET INFO (on I-Tunes) and edit the TAGs.

Heres an example of dragging an untagged album into Anapod. If left it will go into an artist called Unknown and an album called Unknown (I think, or is it Artist/Album).
Just fill the TAG's in and everything is tickety boo.

tagging3.jpg
 
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Got really frustrated with Anapod last night - free version would only transfer one track at a time , and you had to accept about three different screens for each one - major grrrrrrrr

ended up buying the product for £20 - which has actually cost me £40 due to the VAT causing me to go over my cc limit - and anapod kept on crashing and not updating all the tracks (after supposedly being set to add tags automatically even if its just track No in present folder) it still puts them all over

So I am pretty annoyed as I have to go for four days with about 1Gb out of 20 of my music
 
4.4.2 Tags and the iPod

Tag information is essential to the operation of the iPod. To take full advantage of your iPod, you must understand how tag information is used.

The most common misunderstanding about the iPod is how audio files are stored and organized on board. Many people assume that the iPod works like a normal hard disk where you can create arbitrary folders and store your audio files in whatever folder you like. This is incorrect. Apple did not design the iPod this way.

Virtual Folders and "A Database of Music"

The best way to think of your iPod is as a database of music. When you transfer audio files to the iPod, they are all stored in a single storage area. The filenames they had when on your computer are discarded, and they are stored using internal id numbers. You access your audio files on-board the iPod and through Anapod using virtual folders, or views, that the iPod constructs using tag information. The Audio Tracks, Artists, Albums, and Genres folders are therefore all dynamically constructed from the tag data associated with your audio files.

Given this design, it is not possible to "create" new folders per se. For example, people often ask how to create a new album. Well, you cannot create a new album and move files into it. Instead, what you would do is select some of your existing files and change the album field in their tags. This would have the effect of "creating" a new album.

The Tag Database

Another iPod design characteristic important to note is that it does not read tag information directly from within the audio files stored on your iPod. Tag information is often stored at the end of multi-megabyte music files, making reading tags a slow process. When dealing with several thousand audio files on a iPod, reading through every file to build the tag database is simply not practical. Instead, the iPod maintains a separate database of tag information alongside the audio file storage. Each entry in the database is a complete set of tag data and is associated with one of the files stored on the iPod. The iPod uses this database so it doesn't have to continually read through all of the audio files.

This database is only updated when you transfer a new file to the iPod, explicitly edit a tag on-board the iPod, or delete a file. During a transfer, the transfer software is responsible for reading the tag information out of the source audio file on the computer, and handing that data to the iPod along with the file. The iPod then puts that tag information into its database and associates that entry with the newly transferred file.

This scheme has several advantages. First, as mentioned above, it saves the iPod from having to repeatedly parse through all the thousands of files on-board to gather all the tag information. Second, it shifts the burden of parsing all the different tag formats from the iPod to the software running on the computer. This is important because software running on the computer has signficantly more processing power and resources than what is available on the iPod to read new and more complicated tag formats of the future. This way, the iPod firmware need not be updated when new tag formats arise.

Given this tag database design, Anapod is responsible for reading tag information and passing it to the iPod. The next section discusses Anapod's specific tag reading capabilities.

Organizing Tags on Your Computer

This overall design is surprising to some people at first. The most significant implication is that you should have the tags in all your audio files properly filled out before transferring them to your iPod, otherwise they will look a mess once on there. Although this requires some investment of time up-front, most people find that in the long run it makes managing a large collection of music much, much easier.

4.4.3 Anapod Tag Reading and Generation

When transferring a file to a iPod, Anapod must read the tag information from the source audio file on the computer and pass it along with the file data to the iPod. This section describes how Anapod does that.

ID3 Tags

ID3 is the tag format for MP3 files. Anapod is capable of reading both ID3 V1 and ID3 V2 tag formats. For each file, Anapod will first attempt to read the V2 tag. If it does not exist, Anapod will read the V1 tag.


Filling-In Missing Tag Information

To successfully transfer a file to the iPod, Anapod must provide at least the Artist, Album and Title, because these are the fields the iPod uses to uniquely identify an audio track. If Anapod cannot either read all three of them from the tag or guess them from the filename, they must be filled in manually by you or filled in with boilerplate information.

Normally, if Anapod cannot fill the three fields for a file during transfer, it will pop-up a dialog box asking for you to manually fill in the information. Anapod Explorer has several options to alter this default behavior. They can be found on the "iPod" tab in the Configuration dialog.

First, Anapod can be configured to skip files whose tag information cannot be automatically determined. Check the "Auto-skip files with incomplete ID3 tags" option to enable this. You can examine the transfer log afterwards to find which files did not transfer due to incomplete tags and fix them later. Second, Anapod can fill the missing fields with boilerplate text. Check the "Auto-complete ID3 tags with missing fields" option to enable this and provide the text you want Anapod to fill with in the box below it.
 
I hate this as well. In my iTunes I have a few compilations but I put tracks in Artist order (A to Z) So the compilation tracks get spread out everywhere. I think the next iTunes should allow you to set up certain rules for displaying compilations (EG. View all tracks in artist order but have compilations put in album order)
 
thank you everyone especially dmpoole

One question ( well sort of two but hopefully the same technique will work)

I have loads of original cd's that are various artists ( general compilations and music soundtracks etc) that I want to file all in one place lets say under Artist list and call it Compilation , however I want the original information ie actual track name and artist to be there also. Is this possible?

Ie so between Clapton and Dire Straits there will be one entry saying Compilations and then within that "folder" there should be ;Flashdance, Footloose, Top Gun folders etc etc etc with all the tracks listed in the right order with correct track/artist name?

Along the same lines I also want to burn all my cd singles and put them under a "singles" folder entry
 
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