ivybridge

[wentalong]

lol expevct to see swarms of ivybridge threads popping up around christmas though but personally i can see the 2500k's and 2600k's and 2700k's still beasting every other cpu and beasting any game thrown at it untill haswells released, that is unless the bulldozer refresh actually makes the CPU'S half decent and worth the money, which may be quite easy if A: the 8150 comes down to 2500k's price range and B: tdp is reduced and it can clock better and clock for clock is faster than the 2500k,

thats pretty much the only way enthusiasts will be swayed from the i series,

also from what i remember AMD still have the front for the graphical lines over nvidia so i'd imagine the 7000 series will be a half decent refresh of the 6000's however prices may be a lot steeper due to the fail of bulldozer

 

[Ynot]

Thanks again.

 

[FallshirmjAEger]

We don't need a long thread on Ivybridge because, Intel have told us what it is, and its 95% the same as Sandy Bridge, 5% IPC gain, 5% clock gain, 10% overall faster than Sandy Bridge, pretty much same everything except a bigger gpu, better in quicksync......... but quicksync isn't well supported(which is a huge shame), still crap for gaming(though probably good for minecraft/ultra low end gaming).

Theres not much more to know, quad cores, 22nm, probably lower power usage(mature old process's aren't much worse than brand new processes these days), bigger gpu. For the vast majority of users you'd be completely unable to tell the difference between them.

Encoding "might" get a nice boost from the addition of the XOP instruction, might not it seems.

There's the actual support for PCI-E V3 as well since it's not currently supported by sandy bridge chips if I think right?

 

[nalla]

The quad channel chip you're thinking of is Sandybridge-E which launches most likely next month. Lookup X79 and Sandybridge-E on Google. It's a faster version of Sandybridge made on the same 32nm process and without the onboard graphics.

well yeah sandybridge-e will be quad channel but also be ivy bridge will be too, as stated by the op

like stated above by drunken master intel has already stated that speed increases will be small 10-15% at best.
i believe ivy bridge is more about the on die gpu rather than increasing cpu raw spped, im sure someone will correct me if im wrong

 

[Stonedofmoo]

There's the actual support for PCI-E V3 as well since it's not currently supported by sandy bridge chips if I think right?

Yes, IB will introduce PCI-E 3.0

 

[opethdisciple]

Is Ivy Bridge going to be another evolution of SB or are we going to see mainstream Intel 6 cores?

 

[Levirginien]

lol indeed. That Bulldozer thread was such an epic fail in the end

yep, 20days to go....15 days to go 7days to go...Finally... Might as well not be here!!!

 

[Tibbz2]

Think I will skip Ivy, ill build sandybridge at Xmas, then if i NEED to upgrade anytime it will be after next Xmas.

 

[Roverno]

Im going to build SB now, but build with a PCI 3.0 board. So if iB is worth getting for the PCI3.0, then i will be ready and waiting.

 

[Stonedofmoo]

Yeah I'd considered that, but then I remembered with IB is released at the same time as the new Q77 chipset that has native USB 3.0 and decided I'd wait. In my case I have to refresh the whole PC anyhow so I may as well get the latest of everything at that time

 

[zoomee]

can't see any point in waiting for PCI 3.0 when hardly anything uses up the bandwidth of PCI 2.0 as of yet!

 

[gropingmantis]

can't see any point in waiting for PCI 3.0 when hardly anything uses up the bandwidth of PCI 2.0 as of yet!

Aren't you thinking of SATA? I am sure that next gen PCI-e 3.0 graphics cards will take full advantage of the increased bandwidth. Depending on how the new graphics cards perform I may get an IB cpu to drop into my current mobo...or I may just wait till haswell for a full system refresh.

 

[appletree]

Exactly.. good old AMD doing what it knows best... Intel does not have to rush anything now...

Not that Intel has rushed anything in last years. It's been 3 years of Q9650 and there is still no chip that has considerably better IPC and number of (physical) cores in similar price tag. For my purposes any possible upgrade would mean just marginal (30% ?) improvement. And seems like ivybridge won't change that much either.

 

[spicypixel]

Guess you're a candidate for spending on Sandybridge-E then.

 

[DragonQ]

Aren't you thinking of SATA? I am sure that next gen PCI-e 3.0 graphics cards will take full advantage of the increased bandwidth. Depending on how the new graphics cards perform I may get an IB cpu to drop into my current mobo...or I may just wait till haswell for a full system refresh.

Considering using 8x/8x for SLI/CrossFire only results in a ~2% performance penalty compared to using 16x/16x, I think it's safe to say that current GPUs don't make use of the full PCI-E 2.0 bandwidth available to them. Thus, PCI-E 3.0 does seem, at this moment in time, rather pointless.

Not that Intel has rushed anything in last years. It's been 3 years of Q9650 and there is still no chip that has considerably better IPC and number of (physical) cores in similar price tag. For my purposes any possible upgrade would mean just marginal (30% ?) improvement. And seems like ivybridge won't change that much either.

Both Bloomfield/Lynnfield and Sandy Bridge offered a ~15% IPC improvement over the previous generation. However, they also both introduced new instruction sets which help a lot in certain situations and, for the i7 at least, you get HyperThreading. And then there's the fact that they also both clock much higher, on average, than Yorkfield ever did.

 

[HighlandeR]

BF3 has sure got a lot of people pumped for an early upgrade!

Im hoping the final code and BF3 will still be more then playable on high/ultra settings at least, almost feels like the ultra/advanced settings is gonna be for machines in 1-3 years time perhaps given BF games last a good few years they made it quite future proof.

Otherwise im sure majority of games will run just fine even off a Q6600/5870 on high settings which can be still got cheaply

Would be nicer to wait for ivybridge and pciexpress 3.0 boards and Radeon 7000 series hopefully all out spring/summer 2012, just a shame its a waiting game as usual.

 

[opethdisciple]

It makes most sense waiting it out untill mobo start appearing which are Ivy bridge compatible and of course, PCI x3.

Especially if you currently have a capable computer and it is only 6 months away.

 

[gropingmantis]

It makes most sense waiting it out untill mobo start appearing which are Ivy bridge compatible and of course, PCI x3.

Especially if you currently have a capable computer and it is only 6 months away.

Pretty sure most SB B3 Gigabyte, ASRock and ASUS boards are 1155 IB and PCI-e 3.0 compatible.

 

[DragonQ]

I actually doubt that. They might support Ivy Bridge but ASRock at least are tagging motherboards that are PCI-E 3.0 compatible as "Gen3", so not all of them are.

 

[gropingmantis]

I actually doubt that. They might support Ivy Bridge but ASRock at least are tagging motherboards that are PCI-E 3.0 compatible as "Gen3", so not all of them are.

Nope its basically only the top slot (nearest the CPU) that will become PCI-e 3.0 but nonetheless any current 6 series board that will accept an IB CPU and has a x16 slot will have at least 1 PCI-e 3.0 slot.

The ASRock and MSI boards have more slots that can do PCI-e 3.0 speeds but if you only need one PCI-e 3.0 slot then my statement still stands.