Japanese Grand Prix 2012, Suzuka - Race 15/20

drunkenmaster said:
Surely if given the notice they can test the wing themselves, determine if it will fail the new test themselves, if so, put on the backup wing that won't fail, and rework the dodgy wing to pass the new test and maybe have it for the next race. Lose the advantage for a race, sure, but if you can come up with something that gives an edge for 3-4 races, then you just get pushed back in with everyone else, you don't get caught, and 3-4 races can easily end up the difference between a win and a loss.

Bah, I'm against cheating no matter the team, but they really need to find a way to test this stuff with the car under load, in use. Though I can understand why that would be very very difficult. Potentially a ridiculously high fps super high def cam used to take video comparison around a high speed, a low speed corner and a high speed straight. It's probably not particularly possible in practice but, we could all see the RBR wing bouncing around more than anyone elses wing like crazy when the car was in motion but passed the stupid tests easily.

Maybe we need some kind of situation where they have to keep wings they use in previous races and if they fail new tests they can lose points, which would make the risk/reward of cheating at all not worth it? I dunno, just dislike this you can cheat as long as the tests don't catch it mentality... then again everyone is at it.
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Haven't heard what notice the teams have had, it would be a bit underhand to move the goal posts at such short notice, as the rules only state that it has to pass the test (as we all know from RB in the last few years where you could clearly see the wing moving but was legal (no problem with that)).

Its really just poor testing by the FIA but guess its not particularly easy job to say the least.
 
FP1 Times

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[b]Pos  Driver                Team                  Time               Laps[/b]
 1.  Jenson Button         McLaren-Mercedes      1m34.507s            20
 2.  Lewis Hamilton        McLaren-Mercedes      1m34.740s  + 0.233   26
 3.  Mark Webber           Red Bull-Renault      1m34.856s  + 0.349   24
 4.  Nico Rosberg          Mercedes              1m35.059s  + 0.552   18
 5.  Michael Schumacher    Mercedes              1m35.112s  + 0.615   20
 6.  Kamui Kobayashi       Sauber-Ferrari        1m35.199s  + 0.692   27
 7.  Felipe Massa          Ferrari               1m35.283s  + 0.776   24
 8.  Paul di Resta         Force India-Mercedes  1m35.299s  + 0.792   18
 9.  Nico Hulkenberg       Force India-Mercedes  1m35.474s  + 0.967   22
10.  Pastor Maldonado      Williams-Renault      1m35.478s  + 0.971   24
11.  Fernando Alonso       Ferrari               1m35.484s  + 0.977   26
12.  Sergio Perez          Sauber-Ferrari        1m35.584s  + 1.077   24
13.  Kimi Raikkonen        Lotus-Renault         1m35.691s  + 1.184   22
14.  Romain Grosjean       Lotus-Renault         1m35.724s  + 1.217   21
15.  Daniel Ricciardo      Toro Rosso-Ferrari    1m36.123s  + 1.616   19
16.  Jean-Eric Vergne      Toro Rosso-Ferrari    1m36.222s  + 1.715   25
17.  Sebastian Vettel      Red Bull-Renault      1m36.366s  + 1.859   23
18.  Valterri Bottas       Williams-Renault      1m36.389s  + 1.882   24
19.  Timo Glock            Marussia-Cosworth     1m37.716s  + 3.209   17 
20.  Vitaly Petrov         Caterham-Renault      1m38.295s  + 3.788   23
21.  Charles Pic           Marussia-Cosworth     1m38.616s  + 4.109   25
22.  Narain Karthikeyan    HRT-Cosworth          1m39.043s  + 4.536   25
23.  Giedo van der Garde   Caterham-Renault      1m39.374s  + 4.867   22
24.  Pedro de la Rosa      HRT-Cosworth          1m39.688s  + 5.181   19

Report - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103072


FP2 Times

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[b]Pos  Driver                Team                  Time               Laps[/b]
 1.  Mark Webber           Red Bull-Renault      1m32.493             34
 2.  Lewis Hamilton        McLaren-Mercedes      1m32.707s  + 0.214   32
 3.  Sebastian Vettel      Red Bull-Renault      1m32.836s  + 0.343   37
 4.  Nico Hulkenberg       Force India-Mercedes  1m32.987s  + 0.494   30
 5.  Fernando Alonso       Ferrari               1m33.093s  + 0.600   28
 6.  Romain Grosjean       Lotus-Renault         1m33.107s  + 0.614   35
 7.  Jenson Button         McLaren-Mercedes      1m33.349s  + 0.856   22
 8.  Bruno Senna           Williams-Renault      1m33.499s  + 1.006   35
 9.  Felipe Massa          Ferrari               1m33.614s  + 1.121   32
10.  Michael Schumacher    Mercedes              1m33.750s  + 1.257   13
11.  Nico Rosberg          Mercedes              1m33.866s  + 1.373   19
12.  Sergio Perez          Sauber-Ferrari        1m33.903s  + 1.410   36
13.  Kamui Kobayashi       Sauber-Ferrari        1m33.9$3s  + 1.490   33
14.  Kimi Raikkonen        Lotus-Renault         1m34.291s  + 1.798   12
15.  Pastor Maldonado      Williams-Renault      1m34.300s  + 1.807   33
16.  Daniel Ricciardo      Toro Rosso-Ferrari    1m34.863s  + 2.370   32
17.  Jean-Eric Vergne      Toro Rosso-Ferrari    1m35.080s  + 2.587   34
18.  Heikki Kovalainen     Caterham-Renault      1m35.711s  + 3.218   41
19.  Vitaly Petrov         Caterham-Renault      1m35.870s  + 3.377   37
20.  Timo Glock            Marussia-Cosworth     1m36.194s  + 3.701   32
21.  Charles Pic           Marussia-Cosworth     1m36.636s  + 4.143   28
22.  Pedro de la Rosa      HRT-Cosworth          1m37.342s  + 4.849   30
23.  Narain Karthikeyan    HRT-Cosworth          1m37.701s  + 5.208   35
24.  Paul di Resta         Force India-Mercedes  No time               2

Report - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103075


Replay of the sessions are on from 11am this morning on Sky Sports F1 channel.
 
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Pretty good qually session, albeit with some unexpected results. Merc very slow, thought they would go fairly well here. Red Bull back with some epic pace, but Sauber popping up there once again as well!

Not good for Hamiltons WDC chances unless there is a tangle up front. He has gone wrong somewhere with the set up, but will benefit him in the race though?




Grid before penalties applied

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[b]Pos  Driver                Team                 Time            Gap   [/b]
 1.  Sebastian Vettel      Red Bull-Renault     1m30.839s
 2.  Mark Webber           Red Bull-Renault     1m31.090s  + 0.251
 3.  Jenson Button         McLaren-Mercedes     1m31.294s  + 0.451
 4.  Kamui Kobayashi       Sauber-Ferrari       1m31.700s  + 0.861
 5.  Romain Grosjean       Lotus-Renault        1m31.989s  + 1.059
 6.  Sergio Perez          Sauber-Ferrari       1m32.022s  + 1.183
 7.  Fernando Alonso       Ferrari              1m32.114s  + 1.275
 8.  Kimi Raikkonen        Lotus-Renault        1m32.208s  + 1.369
 9.  Lewis Hamilton        McLaren-Mercedes     1m32.327s  + 1.488
10.  Nico Hulkenberg       Force India-Mercedes no time
Q2 cut-off time: 1m32.272s                                   Gap **
11.  Felipe Massa          Ferrari              1m32.293s  + 0.792
12.  Paul di Resta         Force India-Mercedes 1m32.327s  + 0.826
13.  Michael Schumacher    Mercedes             1m32.469s  + 0.968
14.  Pastor Maldonado      Williams-Renault     1m32.512s  + 1.011
15.  Nico Rosberg          Mercedes             1m32.625s  + 1.124
16.  Daniel Ricciardo      Toro Rosso-Ferrari   1m32.954s  + 1.453
17.  Jean-Eric Vergne      Toro Rosso-Ferrari   1m33.368s  + 1.867
Q1 cut-off time: 1m33.370s                                    Gap *
18.  Bruno Senna           Williams-Renault     1m33.405s  + 1.376
19.  Heikki Kovalainen     Caterham-Renault     1m34.657s  + 2.628
20.  Timo Glock            Marussia-Cosworth    1m35.213s  + 3.184
21.  Pedro de la Rosa      HRT-Cosworth         1m35.385s  + 3.356
22.  Charles Pic           Marussia-Cosworth    1m35.429s  + 3.400
23.  Vitaly Petrov         Caterham-Renault     1m35.432s  + 3.403
24.  Narain Karthikeyan    HRT-Cosworth         1m36.734s  + 4.705


Grid after penalties - http://www1.skysports.com/formula1/grandprix/japan/results#tab_grid


Also some tech updates on F1.com - http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/
 
Skeeter said:
A 2011 special with Vettel running off into the distance and everyone else just having their own fight.
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The tyres could be an issue here (with the new surface), they were graining a lot on Friday for some teams.
 
Alonso's consistency has really come to an end and well timed boost by Red Bull now give them a straight fight, assuming that Ferrari can bring some pace soon.

Shame JB couldn't get past Kobi and they both got done by Massa after being held up behind the Toro Rosso.

Hamilton got some useful points but is still out of touch really.
 
Result


Code: 
[b]Pos  Driver        Team                       Time[/b]
 1.  Vettel        Red Bull-Renault           1h28:56.242
 2.  Massa         Ferrari                    +    20.639
 3.  Kobayashi     Sauber-Ferrari             +    24.538
 4.  Button        McLaren-Mercedes           +    25.098
 5.  Hamilton      McLaren-Mercedes           +    46.490
 6.  Raikkonen     Lotus-Renault              +    50.424
 7.  Hulkenberg    Force India-Mercedes       +    51.159
 8.  Maldonado     Williams-Renault           +    52.364
 9.  Webber        Red Bull-Renault           +    54.675
10.  Ricciardo     Toro Rosso-Ferrari         +  1:06.919
11.  Schumacher    Mercedes                   +  1:07.769
12.  Di Resta      Force India-Mercedes       +  1:23.400
13.  Vergne        Toro Rosso-Ferrari         +  1:28.600
14.  Senna         Williams-Renault           +  1:28.700
15.  Grosjean      Lotus-Renault              +     1 lap
16.  Kovalainen    Caterham-Renault           +     1 lap
17.  Glock         Marussia-Cosworth          +     1 lap
18.  Petrov        Caterham-Renault           +     1 lap
19.  De la Rosa    HRT-Cosworth               +     1 lap

Fastest lap: Vettel, 1:35.774

Not classified/retirements:

Driver        Team                         On lap
Pic           Marussia-Cosworth            39
Karthikeyan   HRT-Cosworth                 34
Perez         Sauber-Ferrari               19
Alonso        Ferrari                      1
Rosberg       Mercedes                     1



World Championship standings, round 15:

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[b]Drivers:                    Constructors:             [/b]
 1.  Alonso       194        1.  Red Bull-Renault          325
 2.  Vettel       190        2.  McLaren-Mercedes          283
 3.  Raikkonen    157        3.  Ferrari                   263
 4.  Hamilton     152        4.  Lotus-Renault             239
 5.  Webber       135        5.  Mercedes                  136
 6.  Button       131        6.  Sauber-Ferrari            115
 7.  Rosberg       93        7.  Force India-Mercedes       81
 8.  Grosjean      82        8.  Williams-Renault           58
 9.  Massa         69        9.  Toro Rosso-Ferrari         15
10.  Perez         65       
11.  Kobayashi     50       
12.  Di Resta      44       
13.  Schumacher    43       
14.  Hulkenberg    37       
15.  Maldonado     33       
16.  Senna         25       
17.  Vergne         8       
18.  Ricciardo      7
 
Lewis sure loves twitter and the celeb style of being a **** when using it. Liking him less each day :(
 
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