Jezza does it again

I'm not saying the CRA's behaved ideally here - a minimum standard of regulation in this field is sensible, if not necessary. Obviously those standards weren't heavy enough and allowed the CRA's to be manipulated by the Von Hussler's of this world. However in isolation, the failures of the CRA's would NOT be causing the current mess we're in. The main problem is banks creating money that they didn't have and investing it in unknown products in the name of short-term profit and exorbitant bonuses - that is the simple, inevitable consequence of the free market. You can't argue with that, it's happened time and time again in the past.

In the case of the CRA's, the regulation that was there created such a high barrier to entry so as to prevent new entrants in the market, and the regulation also required them to be used. It's not that the standards weren't heavy enough at all, it's that the standards created market distortion through their presence, turning the conventional role of the CRA on it's head, and removing competative pressure which in turn should hold up standards. If the CRA's had been doing their job correctly, the latter part of what you describe would never have occured, because people wouldn't have bought the products had they been given accurate ratings.

Short term profit is not an inevitable consequence of the free market, companies want to survive and prosper, driving themselves into bankruptcy doesn't serve the people who work for the company or the shareholders.

What caused the last recession? The US dot-com bubble. The one before that? The US savings and loan scandals. Anyone seeing a pattern emerging here?

That the fate of the largest economy on earth has an effect on the rest of the world? That the economy moves in cycles?

What do you think the government can do to regulate out recession? Seriously?

What's a security? Maybe the bankers should have been asking that question before betting the farm on them.

Securities aren't a new thing, allowing the addition of residential mortgages is, relatively speaking, but again, the CRA's should have been accurately rating the risks.

I don't see how you can argue that they aren't? How many times does self-regulation have to fail before you accept this?

What examples of self-regulation do you offer? The economy of Hong Kong is generally considered the most lassez-faire economy in the developed world, but they don't tend to experience this kind of problem.

You have, so far, only really offered examples of regulated economies failing, and tried to blame the market. The only thing all the economies have had in common is government interference.

That's a bit of leap of faith. A low budget deficit could have made the pound impossibly strong for the last few years, killing off what little manufacturing we still have left in this country.

Or it could have meant we now had the capacity to borrow sensibly to stimulate the economy, rather than having to borrow recklessly.
 
...Ooooooook

Because Jeremy Clarkson is on the same scale of Sharon Stone :p

You cannot say anything in the public eye, without it being ridiculed.

Fact.

And?

Way to state the obvious. If you don't want a comment ridiculed then don't say it. Simple really. Thats been true since forever and has nothing to do with this mythical PC brigade that people keep mentioning.

Dunno what you mean about Sharon Stone & Clarkson. They're both celebrities. I generalised, so what?
 
Good old JC :)

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2215559.ece

JEREMY Clarkson said sorry yesterday for calling Gordon Brown a “one-eyed Scottish idiot” — EXCEPT for the IDIOT part.

The Top Gear star, 48, was blasted by a blindness charity over his jibe in Australia.

Yet he insisted defiantly: “The idiot bit...there’s no chance I’ll apologise for that.”




Clarkson insisted he had NOTHING against Gordon Brown’s appearance and NOTHING against Scots.

The TV presenter publicly said sorry after his comments upset disabled campaigners and people North of the border.

But after issuing his apology via the BBC, he told The Sun there was one part of his remarks he did not regret — declaring: “I haven’t apologised for calling him an idiot.”

The Sun columnist, whose comments came at a press conference for his Top Gear roadshow in Australia, insisted: “I very specifically apologised for making fun of his personal appearance — very specifically.

Never leave avoidance of doubt, and he's still absolutely spot on :D
 
Insulting Brown for what he does is fine. Insulting him for a disability he has is poor form.

Agreed.

One-eyed? Fact

Scottish? Fact

Idiot? Open to debate.

So really, the only controversial thing JC has said is that GB is an idiot, which I would guess a large number of people do on a daily basis anyway ;)
He used was saying that he was one-eyed and Scottish as part of his insult, not as independant statements of fact.

Calling Heather Mills a 'stupid greedy bint' wouldn't be particuarly unnaceptable. Saying she was 'a stupid greedy legless bint' is uncalled for.
 
He aint, its the americans who ****ed our banking system with a load of sub prime mortgages, what the hell is he supposed to do?
It aint down to him if american banks want to **** the world, like their armies do.
He hasn't done anything wrong, you just want to blame the PM because he's in charge of the country, he aint a magical robot with all the answers. He can't fix things in an insant.

The particulars of Clarkson’s insult preferances aside. I am afraid the economic aspect of things is partly Brown's fault at the very least, because, he is the one largely responsible for the state of our spending nationally, he was for the longest time, responsible for our treasury and balancing our books. Furthermore he is a socialist, which as far as I am concerned makes him an enemy to the free world and a divisive and malignant force that should be stamped out immediately. I always take every opportunity to attack the left, it's just my nature, so don't worry about that :)
 
You fail to see my original point...

stop making jibs about lack of sight, it's thoroughly disrespectful :(

I couldn't give a toss about Gordon Brown, but nobody should have to have the **** taken out of them for a disability, it's just not the done thing....hence the "fuss" that everyone on here can't seem to understand.

what about all the people out there who are idiots? you aren't defending them with nearly as much vigor

Maybe my standards are too high in your mind but unless your about 8 years old and ignorant of the world, there is no justification for such a pathetic and lazy shot.

maybe you just worry about everything far to much? i'm fat but fat jokes don't bother me, in fact it's usually me making them, you must be a paid up member of the PC brigade

Would Clarkson have said this to his face?

yes.
 
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I have little sight in one eye due to having a squint and i'm not offended. why does everyone have to jump on a badwagon. If jezza thinks that Brown is a one eyed idiot, thats his opinion and he's entitled to it.
 
He aint, its the americans who ****ed our banking system with a load of sub prime mortgages, what the hell is he supposed to do?
It aint down to him if american banks want to **** the world, like their armies do.
He hasn't done anything wrong, you just want to blame the PM because he's in charge of the country, he aint a magical robot with all the answers. He can't fix things in an insant.

Oh no no no. You're best leaving the thread. You clearly have no idea of the causes of the current economic crisis and the attempts to prevent a recession by the Labour Government.
 
Oh no no no. You're best leaving the thread. You clearly have no idea of the causes of the current economic crisis and the attempts to magnify a recession by the Labour Government.

TFTFY.

Labour's entire time in office has been a building disaster for the economy, fulfilling the expectations of anyone who has looked at the history of the labour party in government.
 
TFTFY.

Labour's entire time in office has been a building disaster for the economy, fulfilling the expectations of anyone who has looked at the history of the labour party in government.

Couldn't have put it better myself, more colourfully maybe but no more accurately
 
Insulting Brown for what he does is fine. Insulting him for a disability he has is poor form.

Or for being Scottish.

So I think that apologising for called him one-eyed and Scottish was the right thing to do.
 
"One-Eyed" would be the basis of the apology.

The facts remain that he is both Scottish *and* an idiot.

Yes, but associating the two is also unfair. It's as unfair to do it with being Scottish as it is to do it with missing one eye. On what basis do you differentiate between the two?
 
A question that hasn't been asked enough is whether Incapability Brown is a good enough reason to dissolve the union - if England was independent, he wouldn't be eligible to be PM.

I keep seeing comparisons made with Carol Thatcher's comments, claiming that this is a double-standard because Clarkson is a man/brings in a lot of viewers/whatever. That's total rubbish. She was dropped because she used a word that's currently on the list of Bad Words Regardless Of Context and he didn't.
 
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