Joining University at the age of 23

I'm going into my third year and my friends at uni range from 19-26 and all get on and go out together, as long as you aren't boring I don't see why you wouldn't get on with (most) younger people. Just need to filter out the generic 18 year old university goer I guess, not too difficult anyway most get too drunk before 9 and are back home by 11.
 
Was it the Torque Engine for XNA by chance?


No the 2D stuff was taught using Torque Game Builder (totally out of date and discontinued iirc?) and the 3D stuff was taught using Torque 3D. there was supposed to be a separate module on XNA in the second or third year? but we were told this was to be dropped as we finished the first year due them already teaching us C# "so it would be of no benefit"...

I actually left after passing the first year. Was getting some problems from the neighbors that made studying at home difficult. And although i knew i could pass the course and gain a degree. I Felt i wouldn't have gained the skills to back it up.
 
I am thinking of leaving the Navy and doing the minimum service (4 ish years) and going to Uni. I will be 23/24 by the time I leave.

I was wondering if anyone had any sort of experience, either through themselves or through a friend, of anyone who has joined Uni at a later date.

Also, would I get any backing from the government or any help to pay Uni fees, or because I have not joined in the normal timespan, am I not eligible?

Also - I only have 7 C Grade GCSEs. But through the Navy (and working at PC World before hand) I have got 2 Level 2 NVQ Apprenticeship qualifications. 1 in Retail and 1 in Business Administration. Would these go towards my UCAS points required to apply for a Uni course? I am also going to be doing a Business Studies A-Level on the upcoming deployment in September, so this will help.

Plus, am I mad wanting to go and do a Computer Game Programming degree....? :p

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Go for it mate, i left the army after 5 years and went to college, i'm doing a hnd and hoping to go to uni next year ( i will be 24).
 
Never been in the military, military cadets though =P .

I know all about the leadership v manager. I've been through tons business material on that in academia. Managers do require some leadership qualities and vice versa. I just don't believe being commissioned should be decided on pure academic certificates alone, I think they should prove themselves in real situations first.

Do you know anything about the Officer selection process? It's nothing like what you go through for recruitment as non-commissioned personnel. They interview the **** out of you, observe how you act during large group discussions, test your management and organisation skills through planning tasks and assess your potential when leading others through a staged scenario.

It is by no means academic entry, you have to prove yourself to be worth much more than grades.
 
Do you know anything about the Officer selection process? It's nothing like what you go through for recruitment as non-commissioned personnel. They interview the **** out of you, observe how you act during large group discussions, test your management and organisation skills through planning tasks and assess your potential when leading others through a staged scenario.

It is by no means academic entry, you have to prove yourself to be worth much more than grades.

Yes but more often than not, you can only get there with those qualifications. I believe they should be more open to more groups of people, those qualities aren't restricted to people with qualifications. I think someone who had bad grades at 16, because of some unknown factor, might eventually grow up with great leadership qualities. I think a better proving ground, will seeing who emerges in real situations as opposed to set up situations.
 
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You don't just need leadership qualities, you also need to be smart.

You don't just need to be smart, you also need leadership qualities.

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As Zefan said about the 1-5% figure... it's kinda pointless, without knowing what percentage of enlisted people go apply for officer selection :|.

I said that...
 
You mentioned the figure, he said what I said.



That's why the rigorous officer selection looks at potential/aptitude, rather than seeing the candidates as the finished article. I'd imagine they're pretty good at doing that, by now!

I think that's hard to measure, you may disagree. But i think the only real way, is to let it emerge naturally rather than rigging it.
 
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How do you want to do it, then? Send them to the Western Front and see who comes back after a couple of months?!

Derp :|.

Natural leaders, tend to automatically take control in difficult situations without the people even realizing it. They just automatically follow, as opposed to power given by authority. The best kind of leadership.
 
Would there be enough high calibre candidates? Sure, enough people emerge to fill NCO roles, but would there be enough natural leaders to fill NCO roles and officer roles?

On top of that, what about engineering officers, and that kind of thing (roles which require degree level education)?

If the officer candidates all started from ranks, yes, yes there would. No difference in amount as there is now. If there education was really required, they would get promoted faster. As in get promoted faster because they do a good job as opposed to get promoted faster because they have a degree.


I think there should be special streams for medical officer, engineering officers etc. They should still be enlisted, but a special type of engineering enlisted which gives authority to work on engineering type problems.

I'm a phd candidate, so I have nothing against education, its just vision I have, of how it should be.

But as it is now, you should try to get in as commissioned, just because of the probability.
 
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There would be a huge decrease in the amount of people joining from university if that system were put in place. Why go to uni for 3/4 years and spend ££££ on education just to get the same starting job as someone who left straight out of school?

Sure there are people who prove themselves while they're in the job, but why ignore people who've proven themselves prior to joining and save a great deal of money by having them already develop themselves? Training people costs a huge amount of money, by recruiting graduates who have a bit of life experience they save an absolute packet.

:edit: Anyway, this discussion is being dragged waaaaay off topic now so I think it's best we stopped!
 
Lol, u literally mad, bro. I think it'd be a massive backward step for our armed forces, tbh. I don't think you really understand the officer role, or what the average enlisted person is like.

If they really are morons, there educated counter-parts should have no problem emerging from the ranks. But don't forget the exceptions, the non-morons who happen to be enlisted.
 
There would be a huge decrease in the amount of people joining from university if that system were put in place. Why go to uni for 3/4 years and spend ££££ on education just to get the same starting job as someone who left straight out of school?

Sure there are people who prove themselves while they're in the job, but why ignore people who've proven themselves prior to joining and save a great deal of money by having them already develop themselves? Training people costs a huge amount of money, by recruiting graduates who have a bit of life experience they save an absolute packet.

Because in so many years, they would have surpassed them, if the education was required. Thats why.
 
I've got to agree with Moses, you have no idea how the system works so your idea of a solution doesn't even begin to make sense. That's enough discussion of this now.

As for the OPs problem! I think 23 is definitely not too old to go to uni. Which university are you thinking of going to?
 
My eldest daughter who is 24 starts Uni this September.
She also started College 2 years late.
The reason? -
She went to College at 16 but hated it and the courses she did, so she waited until she knew exactly what she wanted to do and got 3 Distinctions.
She then waited another 3 years to once again make sure she was making the right choice.
 
I've got to agree with Moses, you have no idea how the system works so your idea of a solution doesn't even begin to make sense. That's enough discussion of this now.

As for the OPs problem! I think 23 is definitely not too old to go to uni. Which university are you thinking of going to?

Why doesn't it make sense?

If education was required, they would be better at there job thus get promoted faster(Eventually paying off). I really don't see how it does not work.

Anyway, as you said. Enough.
 
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