Judge fines cyclist for using road

Borris · 11 Aug 2006 at 17:21

Old No.7 said:
Where are you getting your facts from Borris?

The Road Traffic Acts of 1988 and 1991.

(I may have fibbed about the protective gear bit.)

squiffy · 11 Aug 2006 at 17:27

AcidHell2 said:
Make sense to me. Cars are for roads, pedestrians for paths and where possible bikes for cycle lanes.

How to get from town X to town Z that have no cycle lanes then? How about shorting ALL A an B roads by 8' for up and down cycle lanes? Also have to be paved off seperate from roads, otherwise crud from the roads is pushed into the standard cycle lanes.

lol.

Amp34 · 11 Aug 2006 at 17:30

Borris said:
The Road Traffic Acts of 1988 and 1991.

Well version of the highway code (little blue book) it says and I quote:

Clothing. You should wear

A cycle helmet which conforms to current regulations
Appropriate clothes for cycling...
Light coloured or flourescent clothing which helps other road user to see you in daylight and poor light
Reflective clothing and/or accessories.

In comparrison to

At night you MUST have front and rear lights lit. It MUST also be fitted with a rear reflector...

and

You MUST obey all traffic signs and traffic light signals

All bold and colours copied.

It is only a recommendation that you should wear a helmet (a large proportion of helmets people wear dont comply even if it was a law) in the same sense it is recommended to wear reflective clothing. There is no law against riding without a helmet.

Edit: Just saw your edit

lol
I dont think it is particularily clear though even in the highway code.

TheMightyTen · 11 Aug 2006 at 17:53

UKDTweak said:
Sorry to hear about your uncle, hope he was ok. but your "generalisation" is worse than mine, most cyclist, Dont have insurance, most car drivers Do, therefore how were you to say that "motorists are scheming coniving slackers who avoid paying what they are leaglly obliged to" ??

The driver using the mobile was an idiot, granted, but what makes you say the above comment ?

I wasn't actually making the generalisation but just using that one incident as to how from an experience it would be possible to say that from the experienced evidence.

The majority of cyclist are responsible individuals, the majority of motorists are responsible individuals. Unfortunately we only ever seem to remember the negative incidents and block out the 'norm'.

As to Uncle, he's having to have his 4th op next month (his right hip was shattered from the impact

). Thankfully it seems they are throwing the book at the driver.

Aliboy · 11 Aug 2006 at 17:55

So to summerise then .....

Cyclists are generally .... veggie, hippy, druggie, unwashed save the planet types

Car drivers are, snobby, wannabe F1 drivers, chavs who have no respect for other road users

And motorcyclists (that's me) are leather clad sex gods

Al

TheMightyTen · 11 Aug 2006 at 17:58

Old No.7 said:
So to summerise then .....

Cyclists are generally .... veggie, hippy, druggie, unwashed save the planet types

Car drivers are, snobby, wannabe F1 drivers, chavs who have no respect for other road users

And motorcyclists (that's me) are leather clad sex gods

Al

Strangely enough the only time I've ever been knocked off a bicycle was by a motorcyclist

, but thats just me I don't do thinks normally (It bleeding well hurt though)

Borris · 11 Aug 2006 at 17:58

Old No.7 said:
And motorcyclists (that's me) are overcompensating

VeNT · 11 Aug 2006 at 17:58

Old No.7 said:
So to summerise then .....

Cyclists are generally .... veggie, hippy, druggie, unwashed save the planet types

Car drivers are, snobby, wannabe F1 drivers, chavs who have no respect for other road users

And motorcyclists (that's me) are overweight leather clad middle aged men looking to reclaim their youth

Al

fixored

Borris · 11 Aug 2006 at 17:58

TheMightyTen said:
Strangely enough the only time I've ever been knocked off a bicycle was by a motorcyclist , but thats just me I don't do thinks normally (It bleeding well hurt though)

Scooters.

Don't get me started.

squiffy · 11 Aug 2006 at 17:59

Old No.7 said:
So to summerise then .....

Cyclists are generally .... veggie, hippy, druggie, unwashed save the planet types

Car drivers are, snobby, wannabe F1 drivers, chavs who have no respect for other road users

And motorcyclists (that's me) are leather clad sex gods

Al

Chimp sex god?

Aliboy · 11 Aug 2006 at 17:59

VeNT said:
fixored

You cheeky monkey

VeNT · 11 Aug 2006 at 18:02

Old No.7 said:
You cheeky monkey

or is that too far?

Von Smallhausen · 11 Aug 2006 at 18:02

squiffy said:
Chimp sex god?

I must say Al, the resemblence is striking.

Aliboy · 11 Aug 2006 at 18:07

VeNT said:
or is that too far?

Whoa

He hasn't missed many dinners has he?

And as for you Vonnieboy, my ears don't stick out that far

chesterstu · 11 Aug 2006 at 22:11

squiffy said:
Cyclists have every right to ride in clubs, what right do you have to get rid of them?

Ok how would cyclists ride from town to town? I know, increase council tax £500 a year, and spend billions on nationwide cyclelanes that are equal in inter-connectivity as roads. If you want cyclists off the roads hand over the cash to do so.

Highway code allows two cyclists to ride abreast. And for cyclists to ride on the roads.

ERM, the right i have is the fact i pay vechicle exercise duty, petrol duty, insurance, for driving lessons, a thoery test, a practicle and for an MOT. While cyclists pay sweet fa!

How would you like it if i got a couple of my chavtastic mates in our cars and we drove 2 abreast at 13mph down the a56 at 8:15am on a monday while you where on your way to work, made you very late and fustrated.

Personally in the car, i am tired of watching bikes jump red lights, give way lines and generally be a dangerous. I normally go out of my way to block the way of a cyclist on the road. When i do they simply mount the pavement and carry on. I am sure not many people would be happy if i simply mounted the pavement to dirve arround a traffic jam in my car.

Dont get me wrong i enjoy cycling, i go mountain biking most weekends at Delamere and North Wales.

Euro_Hunter · 11 Aug 2006 at 22:26

TheMightyTen said:
Most cycle lanes in Brum are just glorified car parks (Well most people who constantly park on them seem to think so) so we're forced to use the roads. Does the council do anything about it, no, so tough **** to anyone who's journey is delayed by 30 seconds because they can't get around me.

Part of the cycle lane I use to get to work is always blocked by parked cars & of course this is the busiest road in town where you really need the cycle lane.

I swear one day I'm going to ride along side the cars causing the obstruction and accidently bump into them, bet they won't block the lane again then

growse · 11 Aug 2006 at 22:32

chesterstu said:
ERM, the right i have is the fact i pay vechicle exercise duty, petrol duty, insurance, for driving lessons, a thoery test, a practicle and for an MOT. While cyclists pay sweet fa!

How would you like it if i got a couple of my chavtastic mates in our cars and we drove 2 abreast at 13mph down the a56 at 8:15am on a monday while you where on your way to work, made you very late and fustrated.

Personally in the car, i am tired of watching bikes jump red lights, give way lines and generally be a dangerous. I normally go out of my way to block the way of a cyclist on the road. When i do they simply mount the pavement and carry on. I am sure not many people would be happy if i simply mounted the pavement to dirve arround a traffic jam in my car.

Dont get me wrong i enjoy cycling, i go mountain biking most weekends at Delamere and North Wales.

And not many car drivers would like it if cyclists tailgated, cut people up and went faster than it was safe to do. My point? There are muppet car drivers. Your point? There are muppet cyclists. Lets just leave it at that and not try to generalise about things.

nomad · 11 Aug 2006 at 23:39

chesterstu said:
I normally go out of my way to block the way of a cyclist on the road.

Genius

Fact is, from what I have seen, the really into it cyclists on this forum are so pigheaded and single minded that you will never get them to listen to your point of view no matter what. It doesn't matter that you pay for all the roads, and the cycle lanes they are too ungrateful to use, it isnt enough and they will still do whatever they want. Kudos to the judge who fined him, there was a lane he should have used it.

But there is little point argueing, last time I did one user threatened to "meet up and give me a kicking" and said that if I was to smack a cyclist for delibrately scratching my car because it was parked on the pavement then it would be "attempted murder". These are the people you are trying to reason with. :rolleyes:

growse · 11 Aug 2006 at 23:55

nomad said:
Fact is, from what I have seen, the really into it motorists on this forum are so pigheaded and single minded that you will never get them to listen to your point of view no matter what.

Corrected for you there. A cyclist can't really be pigheaded and single minded considering everytime they cycle on the road they are putting their life at significant risk. Maybe the stupid ones who jump red lights etc. A driver on the other hand? Bah, just knock over a few cyclists there, get in another one's way there causing him to brake and swerve. No one really cares about them, they were probably in the wrong place.

And again, I have to mention that everyone who pays tax pays for the roads, even those who don't drive, cycle or use the bus.

chesterstu · 12 Aug 2006 at 00:11

I think you are missing the point. My point is:

1) i was taughted to drive, pasted a test on the thoery of road use and a practical test to ensure i understood it. This shows i am safe to use to roads. I start learning how to drive once i start on my own. Cyclists do not!

2) if i drive dangerously, i have a number plate traceable to me so a traffic enforcement unit can show me the error of my ways, endorse my license or take it off me as i am not safe to use roads. Cyclists Do Not!

3) If any of the 2 above measures should fail, i have insurance so any damage done to 3rd party property can be fixed at no cost to the owner. Cyclists Do Not!

Overall the people in charge go out of there way to ensure i am safe as a driver but any retard can get on a bike without even knowing the high code exists and ride on public roads. What is that all about?