• Competitor rules

    Please remember that any mention of competitors, hinting at competitors or offering to provide details of competitors will result in an account suspension. The full rules can be found under the 'Terms and Rules' link in the bottom right corner of your screen. Just don't mention competitors in any way, shape or form and you'll be OK.

Juicy info on Nehalem

Associate
Joined
23 Apr 2007
Posts
726
Location
Location: Location:
Can't see this posted yet but more juicy info on Nehalem

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/12/03/nehalem_details_spill_through_the_tubes/1

Nehalem-EX, codenamed Beckton, will have eight cores but supports 16 threads because HyperThreading makes a return. Each pair of cores will have an amount of shared cache between them, then there will be a mahoosive 24MB of shared cache between them all - basically a Stoakley platform on single chip.

The EX is designed for a multi-processor environment so this has QPI, or Quick Path Interconnect--Intel's alternative to HyperTransport--with four links at 4.8 or 6.4Gbps and an FB-DIMM2 quad-channel memory controller. All this is under the envelope of varying TDPs of 90W, 105W and 130W and the chips use a new LGA socket with 1567 pins, Socket-LS.


Quad-core, dual-socket (DP) Nehalem-EP, codenamed Gainestown will also have HyperThreading and 8MB of cache, triple channel DDR3 and two QPI links bundled in either 60, 80 or 130W TDP. It'll also have a new LGA socket, but this time with 1366 pins.


The quad-core, "extreme" performance CPU codenamed Bloomfield, will be identical to the DP parts above, but will be single socket only and have a single QPI link. This will also be on socket LGA1366. It is suggested to have a 270mm² die size, about the same as current Kentsfield’s 65nm 286mm² die, but it’ll have nearly 150m more transistors at 731m.


Quad-core, performance mainstream CPUs codenamed Lynnfield and Clarkfield, will have a lower clock and lower TDPs of 90W for desktop and 45/55W for mobile. A more normal dual-channel DDR3 is included here with the integrated memory controller, but instead of a QPI link it will include a PCI-Express 2.0 x16 slot and DMI link to a southbridge instead. It'll have a different socket, again - this time it's called LGA1160.


Dual-core chips will still be around next year, with new cores codenamed Havendale and Auburndale - these have HyperThreading, come with 4MB of shared cache and in addition to the integrated memory controller they have a graphics core that's talked to via an internal QPI. The memory controller is dual-channel DDR3, with a TDP of 35-45W for mobile and under 95W for desktop. Additionally, it will have a PCI-Express 2.0 x16 graphics lane included. Like above, it features an LGA1160 socket.
 
Nice link heads up

I like the summery of the article. Worth noting

"Personally, after writing this I'm actually quite concerned about Intel's positioning - I'm worried that now Intel is the current preferred product over AMD, it'll use this leverage to try and suck out as much cash from enthusiasts as possible, and not have them overclock lower parts, like the E6300, Q6600 etc, to perform like £700 CPUs. At the same time, it's also potentially limiting the availability of multi-GPU by its competitors by forcing the separate north bridge, which offers better performance, to potentially only be available onto Bloomfield CPUs. It seems all the cards are in Intel's hands to deal precisely how it wishes".
 
Last edited:
Ah, yes... the two-socket dilemna that Intel are going to force their enthusiasts into. And then charge body parts for the privilege.

There is no question that Nehalem is shaping up to be a very fast chip, but from all I've heard and read so far, it is going to cost even more than current Extreme Edition-type processors: north of £700. Goodness knows how much motherboards will cost.

You see? This is the price we consumers pay for a non-competitive market.
 
The thing is, the super uber high end boards with the socket will be just that - they will be extremely expensive, probably not even worth the time for most consumers to consider...

If anything it sounds likely that they'll be server sockets. :p

Either that or we'll see the return of multi-socket boards (remember the ones with both slot-1 and socket 370?)

Besides, it's hardly likely that the third party motherboard manufacturers are gonna leave enthusiasts in the cold, they'll give us OCing options like they always have...
 
a new socket was expected, what i dont really understand is why have three new ones?

Especially a different one for the extreme cores relative to the performance ones.

I can understand different sockets for servers, desktop, and mobile
 
a new socket was expected, what i dont really understand is why have three new ones?

Especially a different one for the extreme cores relative to the performance ones.

I can understand different sockets for servers, desktop, and mobile
Well the top one is a server socket, check the RAM type, it's not really for the consumer market.

The other two will effectively be along the lines of S939 and S754 for A64.

Jokester
 
Well the top one is a server socket, check the RAM type, it's not really for the consumer market.

The other two will effectively be along the lines of S939 and S754 for A64.

Jokester

Wasnt Socket 939 the popular amd socket? And 754 the mainstream/cheap one?

They are calling the single socket 1366 the socket for "extreme", does that mean they wont release cheaper lower clocked versions on that socket? Socket 1366 looks good, not so good if i have to pay the stupid amounts intel asks for its extreme processors though.

Anything over 250-300 for a processor is too much!
 
There should be only desktop/server/mobile socket distinctions, having a seperate extreme socket would lead to another 754/940 > 939 situation where the extreme moves down into the mainstream.
 
Why are you all complaining at the cost of this cpu when its 8 cores when games dont even properly use 3 cores let alone 4 or even 8. I cant see 8 cores being needed for many years in gaming and therefore there is no reason to complain. it will push prices of otehr things does and pave way to new developments. its all good and will benefit those taht do heavy decoding for their jobs like easy i beleive. Although i think he just uses that as an excuse to buy new things lol.
 
Lots of things can happen in a year, the PS3 & Xbox 360 seems to be helping atleast game developers get to grips with Multicore programming, so in a year who knows how that may have progressed, although I doubt it will have progressed to 8 core worthy, even then what kind of game should need the power of 8 cores so soon? Most games are graphic dependant now, although I guess there are possibilities... Still it's looking as though they are going to be pricy, which I think might mean they'll make slow entry into the market as only those who can throw away silly money will get them... All in all I personally think those of us whom have gotten Quads at the moment will still be somewhat able to prevail with what we have after the release of Nehalem... Though I would like to think AMD can bring some competitiveness back in, I don't mind which I go for but competition makes us the winner, I'll go for whichever suits my needs at time of purchase, usually best performer & now best performer with good overclocking ability... whether it's AMD or Intel I don't mind. So overall I just hope AMD bring something good to the table just to make Intel bring down prices of Nehalem (assuming they are so high) & keep progressing.
 
Yay, Nehalem next year and then in about 3 years time we might actually have an OS and some games that take advantage of it properly.
 
Back
Top Bottom