Jules Bianchi thread for updates and discussion

Anyone watch the f1 show?
They had a media briefing about the accident.
Report has been given to FIA where a panel will now be convened to ensure it doesn't happen again.
Green flag was correctly shown
SC wasn't needed, car was not near the track.
Data shows no one really lifted, some lifted more than others, some didn't lift at all. No one lifted enough.
Test tomorrow where they will force the cars to slow down, and take the choice away from the drivers.
Also confirmed they warned Honda that race might not go ahead and that they did offer it to be move forward, Honda declined.
Tractors are needed as you need a heavy vehicle to lift vehicles, cranes aren't capable 50m lift radius would require far to many cranes to be practical. They are going to look into different vehicles and/or using skirts, but obviously needs to be tested.
Helicopter could take off, but could not land at hospital. Chief Dr said it did not affect Bianchis treatment.

So pretty much what most of us thought really, drivers not slowing down and stewards not enforcing it.
Thank god they're going to try some sort of forced slow zone rather than trigger happy SC deployment.
 
Glaucus said:
Test tomorrow where they will force the cars to slow down, and take the choice away from the drivers.
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What does this entail? some sort of radio transmitted speed limiter? like the pit lane limiter but triggered remotely by stewards? or am giving F1 too much credit technologically and they are just going to throw the book at anyone who doesn't slow down? if the latter how do you ensure that all drivers lose the same amount of time? I mean if a driver lifts off even 1sec later than someone else that's a lot of time gained.
 
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They didn't say, I assume pit limiter as it's been less than a week, I can't see them having time to add anything else.as they said take the choice away from drivers, then I'm assuming forced. And you will always get some people who gain and lose, just like current SC rules. You can't help it with out going stupid with rules.
 
Yeah, as expected. The only interesting bit is the test tomorrow bit.

The problem is it's, as usual, retrospective. It's obvious the potential for this to happen was greatly increased, yet none of the parties involved (Whiting and some (most?) of the drivers) chose to do anything about it.

It's the the same as what happens every single time there is a big accident - "we'll learn". Sometimes it's ****ing obvious. De Angelis might have been saved. Senna might have been saved. Ratzenberger might even have been saved. Diniz nearly lost his life. Brundle, Wurz and Alonso narrowly avoided disaster. It might still cost Bianchi his life, but will in all likelihood restrict his quality of life. All of the above were perfectly avoidable had common sense been used rather than thinking "oh yeah, but.....".

Sometimes there are freak accidents, but none of these were. And it ****ing annoys me.
 
Bit more news. It wasn't just commentators who didn't know a car had crash, neither did race control. It wasn't caught on any of the TV cameras and the high impact sensor that transmits to race control, was destroyed in the impact. It wasn't until the Marshalls had passed the message up that they redirected a camera and could see the car.
 
?? Do race control have a separate set of cameras to the actual TV ones? There's a camera right in front of the crash that panned round following Bianchi as he crashed.
 
It wasn't filmed on any TV cameras, it was caught on cctv, which is what the media where shown.

Whiting confirmed that race control did not at first realise that the Frenchman had gone off – in other words the video footage shown today was not witnessed live by Whiting or his colleagues. In addition the device on the car that transmits data about a high speed impact to the FIA’s chief medial officer in race control was damaged in the impact, so the warning signal was not sent.

“There was a small delay, simply because the car wasn’t visible. My first thoughts were this is taking a long time, it’s taking longer than I expected, because normally the marshals in Suzuka work very, very quickly. Then they said a car has hit the tractor – it was the Clerk of the Course, they got a message back from the post that a car has hit the tractor. I said what do you mean? I couldn’t see a car hitting the tractor. It took a little while to get another camera to focus, and then we could see that there was a car there. Again it wasn’t completely apparent, the condition of the driver – so it was, is the driver hurt, is anyone hurt?

“And when we found out we dispatched the safety and medical cars. Like I say you couldn’t actually see it, it wasn’t being shown in the live feed, and from the camera that we were looking at at the time – [track CCTV] camera 11 was facing the other way, camera 12 was focussed on the tractor, but you couldn’t see the red car, it was hidden. Once we moved the camera around we could establish that there was another car there. It did take a little while, probably no more than 20s, but nevertheless it was a little bit mystifying to know what had happened.”
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Strangely enough the sky commentators, one of them, did say that there looked like another car in there then said there was a piece of murissa bodywork. The Bbc f1 team completely missed even when the track camera's where showing pictures of jules's pit crew and the team principle so at that point Charlie knew as well...
 
Kravitz said he thought Hulkenberg was involved (seemingly plucking drivers out of thin air), Brundle posed the question of another car going off when they were debating reasons for the medical car being deployed, then Croft noticed Bianchi had plummeted down the timesheets. Only then did he see the Marussia bodywork being moved, just before Bianchi's name appeared on screen.

But yes, the BBC were 10 minutes behind, only noticing after the cars were parked in the pitlane. Though that was still better than Kravitz proposing that unrelated an driver, at that point still driving merrily around the track, was potentially injured.
 
I don't agree. What the marshals / recovery vehicles were doing is perfectly acceptable to me under doubled waved yellows. The issue lies with the drivers not slowing down suitably. Had Bianchi been travelling at half speed, and gone off in the same location, he would have walked out of that car.
 
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I don't agree. What the marshals / recovery vehicles were doing is perfectly acceptable to me under doubled waved yellows. The issue lies with the drivers not slowing down suitably. Had Bianchi been travelling at half speed, and gone off in the same location, he would have walked out of that car.
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This, which goes back to fia/stewards not enforcing yellows/double yellows.
 
MooMoo444 said:
I don't agree. What the marshals / recovery vehicles were doing is perfectly acceptable to me under doubled waved yellows. The issue lies with the drivers not slowing down suitably. Had Bianchi been travelling at half speed, and gone off in the same location, he would have walked out of that car.
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You said it yourself - the drivers never slow down enough for double yellows. The race director should have realised that and, given the conditions, deployed the SC immediately. It's all very well saying it's the drivers' faults for not slowing enough under the yellows but, given that they rarely do, the race director should have immediately realised the danger and deployed the SC to take the decision out of the drivers' hands.
 
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You said it yourself - the drivers never slow down enough for double yellows. The race director should have realised that and, given the conditions, deployed the SC immediately. It's all very well saying it's the drivers' faults for not slowing enough under the yellows but, given that they rarely do, the race director should have immediately realised the danger and deployed the SC to take the decision out of the drivers' hands.
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Coddling the drivers isn't the way forward. If you take the responsibility from the drivers hands, they're even less likely to respect the flags in future. Bottom line is, these guys are risking their lives, but not only that, they are risking the lives of people working trackside, so they should have a bit of common sense to go with it and slow down.
 
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