Just got attacked - Update!

Werewolf said:
The American system in many cases if pretty much screwed up much worse than ours, in the interests of "speeding up" "justice" they have dumbed it down, and often removed any ability for a judge to consider what actually happened around a case, instead.
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I wouldn't say that's entirely accurate. They're not that interested in speeding up the proceedings, rather, they're following laws passed by politicians who know that campaigning on a platform including harsher penalties and mandatory sentencing is popular with a certain demographic. It's easy to lump all criminals into a group of which most do not consider themselves a part and it only shows up negatively in sob stories that are occasionally told about someone committing a relatively minor offense and receiving a ridiculously harsh punishment.
 
Inquisitor said:
That's not justice.
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Erm why not ?
Perfect punishment...

Imo idiots deserve:

Vandals/ mild voilence= 60 years imprisonment
Killers, Rapers, extorters = life imprisoned
serial killers, (killing) gangstahs = Death
mass murderers = first body punishment then Painful death like stoning or owt like that...
 
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snowdog said:
Yes :).

I'd imagine a girl to be raped to be much worse for her than being killed... She'd be traumatized and stuff for life...
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But at least she'd be alive, I knew a girl in uni who had been raped when she was young but she seams ok now, I doubt very much she would rather be dead.
 
lol Still don;t see how extortion comes that high either.

As it's very very broad. or do you mean the more violent kind Ie pay or we smash your shop, rather than pay or i show your wife the pictures of you with Miss jones down the road ;)
 
Tefal said:
lol Still don;t see how extortion comes that high either.

As it's very very broad. or do you mean the more violent kind Ie pay or we smash your shop, rather than pay or i show your wife the pictures of you with Miss jones down the road ;)
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More voilent type I guess, I absolutely hate destruction of property, almost rate it as high as murder, same for extortion for loads of money, when I posted it I thought of ''gangsters come into shop, demand protection money like 5k every month...''.
 
Werewolf said:
cyanide the reason the sentence varies from say 6 months to life is simple.
The same crime can have multiple different factors involved that can/do influence how serious it is, and the courts take that into account.
Oddly enough that is generally considered a good thing, otherwise you end up with either the prisons full of people who are inside for 20 years for urinating in public (down a side alley by a nightclub), or you end up with persistent flashers who like to do it in front of the local primary school getting a small fine (both could be prosecuted as public indecency or similar and thus the sentencing needs to be flexible).
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I realise that there needs to be a scale on which punishments are based, I just feel that 6 months for attacking someone with a knife is pathetic.
 
Good luck Fraggr

Fingers crossed they get a couple of years, and by a couple of years I mean they are in prison for a couple of years.
 
Werewolf said:
Our system is by no means perfect, but it's a damn sight more justice orientated than the US, and involves a lot more common sense.
Our wonderful government wanted to adopt a cookie cutter sentencing system that is popular in parts of the US, pretty much every magistrate and most judges opposed it as it wouldn't allow for any common sense, and would often end up with either people getting off easier than now, much harder for simple crimes, and a much more complicated system (the idea is you have effectively a spreadsheet with crime + general factors = mandatory sentence, which is great until you realise it'll need hundreds of factors taken into account to even come close to the sort of factors that the judges already take into account).
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If only the judges and magistrates in this country showed an ounce of common sense bettween them this might be true! The reason the government is continually trying to introduce sentencing guidelines is that the people passing sentence are so far removed from reality that they don't seem to have a clue what punishment is appropriate.
 
good luck mate, although having been through something similar (not as serious though, just ABH, where by 1 of the gang admitted it, but this was not allowed to be mentioned in court, along with the fact that several of the other 5 people had previous for the same offence), and with it being yesterday, you will prolly already have lost all hope and confidence in the legal system of this country.

You were no doubt treated like the criminal in court whilst the actual perpetrator was treated like a victim, given legal aid along with free tea and lunch and a nice private comfortable room to sit in during recess whilst you have to make do with the public areas, Hope you didn't actually speak to anyone during recess as this is considered "contaminating" witnesses". Then sadly at the end of it all he will be found not guilty due to lack of evidence despite no doubt multiple witnesses, upon which you which you will be ejected from the courthouse to make your way home whilst the criminal enjoys a nice cup of char before being driven home by the court chauffeur.

LOAM
 
(not as serious though, just ABH, where by 1 of the gang admitted it, but this was not allowed to be mentioned in court, along with the fact that several of the other 5 people had previous for the same offence)
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why wasn't it allowed?
 
Good Luck, I hope it's several years at least. Hopefully as he used a knife the judge will come down tough on him, especially with recent media attention.
 
Tefal said:
why wasn't it allowed?
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Well the 1 that pleaded guilty I guess would be dealt with by a separate sitting/court date and previous convictions arent allowed to be brought up in court (this may be different not, I don know, but at the time of the event (90's) this was the case).
 
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