Just watched latest STAR TREK film

Liquidfox said:
Like many people have said, this wasn't meant to be for the fans, it was meant to appeal to the people who'd never seen it before. Which i think it did a good job of doing.
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Why call it Star Trek then? They're using an existing IP, and saying we dont want anything to do with the existing fans, we hate that lot? But then they didnt say that because they had a shedload of references to Star Trek, all crowbarred in.

Just talking about it at face value, the action was ok it had a few funny moments, but you could see it was a plot being fit around a mythos.

The characters motivations(what they did) made no sense, a ton load of random conicidences and the ever saviour of implausable future tech. The film in of its self in my opinion was rubbish, especially because they went to an absurd amount of effort to make it fill the boots of the past, when non fans wouldnt have a clue about all the references. You see? they went to a hell of a lot of effort to put all them in(to appeal to the fans?).

Why try and recreate these characters that already existed?, when its just a caricature of something before. The whole concept of it is just wierd, and it was implemented in a half arsed who cares manner.

And I am not a hardcore fan, I just like reasonably decent films that dont treat me like an idiot. Star trek can be thrown away with all the detritus for all I care, it was a dead duck, why couldnt they keep it that way, and try something new.
 
This was absolutely excellent! A triumphant return for the franchise. Then again I enjoyed Nemesis (obligatory after Insurrection). Cinema is the only way to watch a new Trek movie.
 
neoboy said:
I liked it, but I'm not a trekkie. My mate though is and he said that apparently the film screws up the storyline badly?
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They went the "alternate timeline" route, to get away from just how stale Trek had become in recent years.

Lets face it, Nemesis sucked. The antagonist was a whiny little ****, and we saw the 'death of a major character' thing done much better with Wrath Of Khan. About the best you could say for it was that some of the ship combat bits were okay, but even then - it looked closer to Star Wars battles rather than two big capital ships pounding on each other. Again, Wrath Of Khan showed Trekkian ship combat much better. These are supposed to be big ships, not TIE fighters.

Even before Nemesis, the rot was starting to set in. Two mostly poor seasons of Enterprise, a partially redeeming third and a mostly decent fourth ruined by a **** finale. Virtually all of Voyager was a giant exercise in how not to make a Star Trek series. Insurrection (the ninth film) had about a normal episode (45mins) worth of story and the rest was fluff to fill the gaps.

The latest movie has shown that the new production team aren't afraid to mix things up (getting Spock's home planet Blowed Up Good™ for a start, the whole look of the ship for seconds). Yes, it all got a bit contrived in their efforts to get all the main players onto that ship for good by the end of the movie. But plot holes and contrivances aside, it's a really enjoyable movie. I'd certainly place it on a par with First Contact, which was the best of the Next Generation films.

Still don't think it can hold a candle to Wrath Of Khan though :D
 
As a Trekkie I actually thought it was brilliant, the script writing about the plot about the alternate timeline was very good writing imo.

The good thing about this film, unlike with other Trek films, is that it's very watchable to non-fans. I went with a lot of my family to watch it at the cinema and all of them loved it.
 
Thats the problem, plot holes included, none of it made the slightest second of sense. I think the major thing, Romulus wasn't saved by the Federation, errm, well Romulons didn't save it either. The Federation tried their best, Spock almost died trying to get there, they came up with an entirely new tech to try and save the planet but couldn't make it on time. LIkewise, there was time for the federation to be told theres a problem, for them to work on it and travel out there, yet, they didn't just evacuate the planet?

The big problem being, what even slight reason does he have for revenge, seriously? No one on his planet could be bothered to leave? The federation could be told about it, yet his family didn't send him a message, and he didn't say, get the hell off the planet dear?


Aside from the lack of reason, I thought almost all the characters were poor, the almost kid/parent relationship of the whole crew + old guy captain felt retarded. Spock smirked constantly, showed emotion in every scene and was, well, smug, constantly, he was just entirely crap.

So story, crap, acting, mostly crap, script/dialogue, mostly crap, throwing him off the ship, ridiculously writen in scene just to get Scottie involved, the Scottie in the water tube was like something out of a kids film.

This all on top of Michael Bay style action, zoomed in, jumping about, shakey camera crap where you see almost nothing. They even screwed up the classic McCoy line aswell as the guy playing him being turd.

It was Star Trek meets Transformers crushed together in a forgettable mash of nonsensical baloney.

Its not a patch on the old films, really the first 5/6 films were all pretty damn good. Star Trek was never about effects, it was story, and this film lacked one. I said this in another thread, I can't really remember any effects worth remembering in Star Trek 4, just a great story and writing. Blurry Bird of Prey around the sun was about as technical as it got, yet you have a great film.

Effects were an afterthought and an extra in startrek, story was first and foremost, its been gradually slipping into the hollywood rot of effects than story tacked on if possible, the latest one was the almost complete reversal, special effects, with some random bits of script thrown in.
 
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